Return of Supporters

BLUEMATT23 said:
Everyone reserves the right not to have it.
Sadly this inept government will seemingly make life impossible for those who opt out.
Personally I think its a total disgrace.
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It’s everyone’s choice not to get vaccinated but it’s also their choice to be a person who allows larger viral loads to spread around and increase the possibility of mutations that could end up killing larger numbers of people. If you’re that selfish, that’s your choice, but don’t expect everyone in the country to want to be sharing their space with you.

That’s not a disgrace by any stretch of the imagination. It’s common courtesy and respect for each other’s health.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
It’s everyone’s choice not to get vaccinated but it’s also their choice to be a person who allows larger viral loads to spread around and increase the possibility of mutations that could end up killing larger numbers of people. If you’re that selfish, that’s your choice, but don’t expect everyone in the country to want to be sharing their space with you.

That’s not a disgrace by any stretch of the imagination. It’s common courtesy and respect for each other’s health.
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I'll absolutely be having mine i just don't think it's fair to tell everyone basically you have to have it or else your shunned from society.
I've never had a flu vaccine and never will, there is a lot of similarities between covid and flu.
So why the different approach from similar viruses?
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I'll absolutely be having mine i just don't think it's fair to tell everyone basically you have to have it or else your shunned from society.
I've never had a flu vaccine and never will, there is a lot of similarities between covid and flu.
So why the different approach from similar viruses?
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I get where you’re coming from with your first point. But you also have to think that the vast majority of people don’t want people who are potentially carrying a larger viral load or a new mutation of Covid that could kill us, or someone we love, anywhere near us.

8,000 people a year die of flu with no restrictions in place. 130,000 people have died of Covid in a year and that’s with fairly tight restrictions in place. With no restrictions it’s estimated we’d have reached around 500,000 dead of Covid in just a year. The two viruses aren’t comparable, they’re around 62.5 times different.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I get where you’re coming from with your first point. But you also have to think that the vast majority of people don’t want people who are potentially carrying a larger viral load or a new mutation of Covid that could kill us, or someone we love, anywhere near us.

8,000 people a year die of flu with no restrictions in place. 130,000 people have died of Covid in a year and that’s with fairly tight restrictions in place. With no restrictions it’s estimated we’d have reached around 500,000 dead of Covid in just a year. The two viruses aren’t comparable, they’re around 62.5 times different.
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Not sure where you get your stats from. It's about 17k deaths from flu in England and Wales each year (prior to COVID) with Scotland and NI a bit closer to 20k but prob not there.

Your 500k point is frankly nonsense.
 
LongsightM13 said:
So the Carabao Cup final is essentially going to be an away game for City with 8k Spurs fans present
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City are getting an allocation and we'll find out in due course how many go to supporters and whether fans will be allowed to travel.

And in spite of the froth elsewhere on these boards, vaccination isn't a consideration. It's all about a negative test in advance.

These are pilots and the government have their eyes on the Euros more than this run of games.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I'll absolutely be having mine i just don't think it's fair to tell everyone basically you have to have it or else your shunned from society.
I've never had a flu vaccine and never will, there is a lot of similarities between covid and flu.
So why the different approach from similar viruses?
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Defo on the fucking wind up
 
bowp said:
Not sure where you get your stats from. It's about 17k deaths from flu in England and Wales each year (prior to COVID) with Scotland and NI a bit closer to 20k but prob not there.

Your 500k point is frankly nonsense.
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With no lockdown we would have 500k dead and the numbers of flu , with vaccines is too high

Covid is not the same as flu anyone saying it is is stupid or a wum
 
bowp said:
Not sure where you get your stats from. It's about 17k deaths from flu in England and Wales each year (prior to COVID) with Scotland and NI a bit closer to 20k but prob not there.

Your 500k point is frankly nonsense.
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Even if it was 25,000 for flu and 250,000 for Covid, they’re incomparable.

And it’s not my 500k, it was the scientists at Imperial College London who estimated 470k deaths with no restrictions in the first wave alone.
www.nature.com

Estimating the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in Europe - Nature

Modelling based on pooled data from 11 European countries indicates that non-pharmaceutical interventions—particularly lockdowns—have had a marked effect on SARS-CoV-2 transmission, driving the reproduction number of the infection below 1.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
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BLUEMATT23 said:
I'll absolutely be having mine i just don't think it's fair to tell everyone basically you have to have it or else your shunned from society.
I've never had a flu vaccine and never will, there is a lot of similarities between covid and flu.
So why the different approach from similar viruses?
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These vaccines are, depending on the one you get, 80-90% effective, but, according to the latest resarch out of the USA, stop you from carrying the virus at all.

Which means that if some twat who doesn't want the virus walks into a pub with 40 people while carrying it silently, they could infect 8 people in the pub.

A couple of those 8 people might be vulnerable, develop the illness seriously and have serious long lasting health effects if not die despite their vaccination, because some twat didn't want a vaccine but wanted to go back to normal life anyway.

That's why we're going to have vaccine passports, because ignorantly believing conspiracy theories don't give you the right to kill people.
 
I went to the football this evening. Kuala Lumpur City vs Sabah FC in the Malaysian Super League. A 0-0 draw, but it was nice to be in a stadium (they hit the woodwork four times between them though). We missed the first 15 minutes though because they managed to fuck up the covid regulations and had to find a bit of the stadium to fit us in but allow two seats between each person.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Even if it was 25,000 for flu and 250,000 for Covid, they’re incomparable.

And it’s not my 500k, it was the scientists at Imperial College London who estimated 470k deaths with no restrictions in the first wave alone.
www.nature.com

Estimating the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in Europe - Nature

Modelling based on pooled data from 11 European countries indicates that non-pharmaceutical interventions—particularly lockdowns—have had a marked effect on SARS-CoV-2 transmission, driving the reproduction number of the infection below 1.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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It wasnt the scientists at Imperial it was a knob jockey who didnt follow his own rules. Just nonsense.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I get where you’re coming from with your first point. But you also have to think that the vast majority of people don’t want people who are potentially carrying a larger viral load or a new mutation of Covid that could kill us, or someone we love, anywhere near us.

8,000 people a year die of flu with no restrictions in place. 130,000 people have died of Covid in a year and that’s with fairly tight restrictions in place. With no restrictions it’s estimated we’d have reached around 500,000 dead of Covid in just a year. The two viruses aren’t comparable, they’re around 62.5 times different.
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Hahaha how many dead .....
Behave mate
 
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