United thread 2020/21

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Bluecheeks said:
The sad facts are united was never in debt till 2005 when the glazers took over and put them in debt.
Owners shouldn’t be able to do this and the fact they take dividend payments out of the club is morally wrong.
I understand the united fans frustration and I believe all of us as fans should unite to stop these evil people ruining our football clubs.
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You were quite happy for your club to be floated on the stock exchange as a limited company. I don't remember any protest about that. Why is anyone going to buy your shares if there is no dividend or profit to be had. That's how business works. You were quite happy when the float brought in all the money to enable you to dominate the league.
If you're going to sup with the devil then you'd better have a long spoon, mate.
You made your bed, so lie in it.

Oh, and has anyone told you, we can sniff out a smelly rag **** from a mile away.
Nice try though.
 
bakerdave76 said:
What makes you think that ..
www.thesun.co.uk

Gary Neville hires Manchester United hooligan as security at hotel he owns

A NOTORIOUS Manchester United hooligan is working at a hotel owned by club legends Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs. Tony O’Neill, 59, has been jailed three times for football-related violence and is ba…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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Is he employed to do the bashing on Bryan Briggs' behalf?
 
ManCitizens. said:
Joined today haha
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They love putting themselves on high pedestals don’t they. Won’t surprise me after yesterday, if their forum had a sudden influx of new signings by ‘other club supporters’ just because the league clubs had to put a word in thanking them for being the saviours of football.

And for the blues signed in there, why bother. For every 1 decent rag supporter, 20 will be on your case. They’re now in our shadows.

We broke them we did.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Exactly. That twat on MOTD the other night was a joke. Banging out about making things fairer in terms of money when his club has led the charge for over 40 years in making the distribution of wealth less equitable. What he means, of course, is that he doesn't want wealthy owners to be able to invest in clubs when his club's owners won't (make no mistake, he wouldn't give a shit if Sheikh Mansour was taking money out of City and the Glazers were pumping money in). I guarantee he's not in favour of sharing, for example, 75% of Champions League money with the lower leagues, or sharing more than a token amount from the Premier League deal with the lower leagues, because that will affect his clubs bottom line and unfair advantage.

The sad thing is that none of them realise that the ESL was just the logical end point of the changes they've been championing for decades. When you speak to rags and dippers, they make a big point of insisting that they only spend what they earn themselves, never once touching on why they are earning so much more than the rest of the league in the first place. They genuinely think it's because they've earned it rather than because they've rigged football in their own favour. They're like the trust fund kid who thinks he's rich because he worked hard and invested well.
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Fucking A.
 
Bluecheeks said:
It seems like my post has been taken wrongly by a minority.
At end of the day we are all meant be football fans, as much as we dislike united, Liverpool etc. We shouldn’t be in joy that their clubs are getting ruined by greedy businessmen.
You never know 1 day maybe our oil money dries up and we are bought out by a greedy American owner who bleeds the club dry. We wouldn’t like that , it’s about protecting the game, protecting football and what is right.

There is no class in kicking the enemy when they are down because we are ok. You never know what is round the corner.

Football has been around a longer time then all of us alive today. If things don’t change regarding rules and ownerships then football as we know it will not survive. The rich will get richer , clubs which are the beating heart of cities will seize to exist, the game will be ruined. We need all be united against this and stand up for what’s right about football.
The clubs belong to the fans !
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A minority, like the small minority that attacked yesterday? You've been called out by amost everyone on here., your very lucky to get a second post .Now fucking do one raggy ****.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I've said it before, they want to party like it's 1999, they're haunted by the memory of Ferguson and trophy after trophy, year after year after year, they're trapped in a class of 92 cognitive dissonance nightmare, where they long for a new generation of Cantona, Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Keane, yet know deep down it's not going to happen. They want to be England's club team again, they want compliant refs and a fawning media, they want their manager knighted and hailed as the greatest, they want to be bigger, better, richer and more powerful than everyone else, all the time and forever.

It's not enough for them to spend big to compete, which is what they've done, they don't want to compete, they want to be winners, today, tomorrow, always.

They desperately need these things to give their pathetic lives meaning and it tears them a new one to see us achieving all the things that used to be exclusively theirs.
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How many times does this need to be said? Over and over apparently, because no rag seems to understand. Or they do, they're just in denial.

I love to look at this from a business management point of view because I think it answers all the questions, and makes predicting the future easier.

Ferguson was an autocrat, a megalomaniac who listed "Never, Ever Cede Control" as one of the eight important tenets for successful businesspeople in his book and his interviews at Harvard Business School. That HBS would be so blind as not to see what a warning sign this ought to be about organizational development is quite "Harvard" of them culturally.

Look here: https://hbr.org/2013/10/fergusons-formula

The problem is that when you're a megalomaniac, you aren't interested in what happens to the organization after you leave, because the organization was just a means to an end to satisfy your own ambition. You don't think nor care about succession, because what comes after you is a win-win for you. If an organization is successful after you, it's because you put the organization in a place to succeed. If it fails, well, it's because you aren't there anymore.

The Glazers were delighted to cede control to Ferguson when they bought the club, because they don't know dick about football. But they also weren't likely to cede control to anyone else because owners inherently don't like to cede control. They couldn't replace Ferguson in part because he was irreplaceable, but also because they simply weren't going to give up decision-making authority to one person ever again. And so, you've had cycle of managers, a cycle of players, dithering about over a Director of Football, none of which has worked to re-achieve past success. Then you had the next logical step -- an attempt to buy your way out of a tailspin, and then an attempt to merge your way out through a "transformative acquisition" (i.e. the Super League). Let's also add in the "exogenous shock" -- in this case, the pandemic -- which if you're not prepared also hastens failure. There's also the inevitable "turn to new markets" to offset a decline in a core market -- in this case, "legacy fans" are traded away for new international ones.

All these events, processes and steps are detailed in many forms using examples of other failed businesses in Jim Collins' "How The Mighty Fall" (the counter to his very famous classic "Good to Great").

Now what? Now their customers are in revolt due to the perception of a product they consume to which they've been brand loyal but for whom the quality is slowly declining. Under normal circumstances, the customers would stop spending money on the product and turn to another brand. But customers in football are very, very, very sticky. That's what can save them. Thus you get a revolt instead of the more logical boycott or a slower drift-away of the customer base.

So what's next? Simple: they need to win. The problem is winning costs money, and competitors want to keep you from winning. Their closest competitor -- venture capital funded vs. debt-funded -- is knocking their teeth out. The longer their return to the top is postponed, the more the children of legacy fans -- Utd's next customers -- are going to turn away, and turn bluer. So is the international fan base they were expecting. Not right away, but inevitably and inexorably.

I've said it a million times -- there is no United way, and there never was. There was a Ferguson way. He's now a near-statue. Everything that has happened since he retired has been logical and perfectly predictable, and many of us predicted it, not because we know a lot about football, but because we understand how organizations function at the highest level, and Ferguson laid it all out for us if there was any doubt. Jim Collins charts the path forward.

In my opinion, that path has a big sign by the side of it.

It reads "You're Fucked."
 
The perfect fumble said:
I've said it before, they want to party like it's 1999, they're haunted by the memory of Ferguson and trophy after trophy, year after year after year, they're trapped in a class of 92 cognitive dissonance nightmare, where they long for a new generation of Cantona, Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Keane, yet know deep down it's not going to happen. They want to be England's club team again, they want compliant refs and a fawning media, they want their manager knighted and hailed as the greatest, they want to be bigger, better, richer and more powerful than everyone else, all the time and forever.

It's not enough for them to spend big to compete, which is what they've done, they don't want to compete, they want to be winners, today, tomorrow, always.

They desperately need these things to give their pathetic lives meaning and it tears them a new one to see us achieving all the things that used to be exclusively theirs.
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Nailed it.
 
I love their "this is just the beginning" like this is some historic movement they are creating. The police will cordon off certain roads and streets to allow the team busses to get to the ground, they will not allow fans anywhere near the ground. No doubt they will beef up security at the ground as well. And eventually the number of rags attending these protests will whittle down and the Glazers will keep milking their cash cow as they always have.
 
Interesting that if you step away from Sky Sports and Talk Radio the Rags are getting a lot of flack over this.
 
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