Chelsea (H) | Post-Match Thread

[GaudinoMotors]

Pep is a great manager perhaps the greatest ever but he is not god and can make mistakes but the way some on here hang on every pep word is bizarre ha .

It's the fall back position to any criticism, comment, analysis, discussion. As though raising any such things is somehow being the subversive enemy within and they're the self-appointed guardians of the club.
Bigger fans.
It's not their stance that's necessarily wrong and it is a forum afterall, but the way they go about belittling and using these fall back point scoring comments. Of course 999 times out of 1000 Pep gets it right and knows better.

 

[Odd socks]

Credit to the poster a few games back who said his wife cheers him up when city lose, used it back then and all I got in work Monday was "did your misses cheer you up Saturday night""
"Yeah" I replied with a grin, no grief, no piss take just good humour banter.
Didn't tell them I cheer her up when we win so a win win.

 

[Dribble]

Right, sorry. Kev & Foden play because Dribble knows better than Pep, get long term injuries and everyone loses their collective shit because they can't play in the Chumps League final.
I can play the contrary twat too mate.

No one said play the exact team, but to mix & match those able to play, alongside those who could probably be considered for the final like Sterling, Aguero, Rodri, Cancelo, Laporte. Bringing in those 5 wouldn't have severely weakened our team to the extent changing 9 did.

Who knows what would have happened if we'd have approached Saturday like Chelsea did with targeted rotation, instead of wholesale changes.

Pep did as many predicted, & we lost as many feared. It doesn't take being Pep Guardiola to work that one out as a possible outcome against a strong Chelsea side. As it stands, we lost & Pep got it wrong. Those are the only facts of the matter that count right now, so you can be as much of a contrary twat as you like, it won't change that fact.

So instead of wrapping up the league, & resting for 20+ days, we've now got more meaningful matches to play, risking injuries to players. Think about it.... Take all the time you need. :-|

 

[Sheik Battle and Goal]

No one said play the exact team, but to mix & match those able to play, alongside those who could probably be considered for the final like Sterling, Aguero, Rodri, Cancelo, Laporte. Bringing in those 5 wouldn't have severely weakened our team to the extent changing 9 did.

Who knows what would have happened if we'd have approached Saturday like Chelsea did with targeted rotation, instead of wholesale changes. What Pep did was widely predicted as a distinct possibility & the impending result feared by many fans.

Pep did as many predicted, & we lost as many feared. It doesn't take being Pep Guardiola to work that one out as a possible outcome against a strong Chelsea side. As it stands, we lost & Pep got it wrong. Those are the only facts of the matter that count right now, so you can be as much of a contrary twat as you like, it won't change that fact.

So instead of wrapping up the league, & resting for 20+ days, we've now got more meaningful matches to play, risking injuries to players. Think about it.... Take all the time you need. :-|

I see where you’re coming from but if the penalty goes in and it’s 2 0 at HT the game is virtually won even with so many changes and this thread would be 100 pages less !

 

[Dribble]

I see where you’re coming from but if the penalty goes in and it’s 2 0 at HT the game is virtually won even with so many changes and this thread would be 100 pages less !

If's don't win matches mate. Making sure we cover all bases does. We didn't cover all bases & lost, so our season now goes on, & the players who could have rested & be lightly rotated for the next 3 weeks, will now have to risk injury in meaningful matches.

It's still not mathematically impossible for Newcastle to get relegated. They won't be lying down, legs akimbo & ready to take one for City. We've now potentially got a team with something to fight for, risking our players in the process.

 

[lowe71]

If's don't win matches mate. Making sure we cover all bases does. We didn't cover all bases & lost, so our season now goes on, & the players who could have rested & be lightly rotated for the next 3 weeks, will now have to risk injury in meaningful matches.

It's still not mathematically impossible for Newcastle to get relegated. They won't be lying down, legs akimbo & ready to take one for City. We've now potentially got a team with something to fight for, risking our players in the

If's don't win matches mate. Making sure we cover all bases does. We didn't cover all bases & lost, so our season now goes on, & the players who could have rested & be lightly rotated for the next 3 weeks, will now have to risk injury in meaningful matches.

It's still not mathematically impossible for Newcastle to get relegated. They won't be lying down, legs akimbo & ready to take one for City. We've now potentially got a team with something to fight for, risking our players in the process.

I don't know what school you went to but newcastle cannot get relegated unless you get more points all of a sudden

 

[Dribble]

I don't know what school you went to but newcastle cannot get relegated unless you get more points all of a sudden

Sorry, yes quite correct. Lol :-)

I totally wiped out Newcastle's win over Leicester out of my mind...

 

[blueparrot]

No one said play the exact team, but to mix & match those able to play, alongside those who could probably be considered for the final like Sterling, Aguero, Rodri, Cancelo, Laporte. Bringing in those 5 wouldn't have severely weakened our team to the extent changing 9 did.

Who knows what would have happened if we'd have approached Saturday like Chelsea did with targeted rotation, instead of wholesale changes.

Pep did as many predicted, & we lost as many feared. It doesn't take being Pep Guardiola to work that one out as a possible outcome against a strong Chelsea side. As it stands, we lost & Pep got it wrong. Those are the only facts of the matter that count right now, so you can be as much of a contrary twat as you like, it won't change that fact.

So instead of wrapping up the league, & resting for 20+ days, we've now got more meaningful matches to play, risking injuries to players. Think about it.... Take all the time you need. :-|

Thought about don't need any more time it,still think Pep was right Dribble is wrong.

 

[Dribble]

Thought about don't need any more time it,still think Pep was right Dribble is wrong.

As I said, it's all about opinions, & just like arsehole's, everyone's got one.

 

[chedinho]

We've got strikers, just not a supreme striker in his prime as we did with Aguero. I suppose this summer will tell us a lot about the direction of the team over the next couple of seasons.

In terms of the heavy rotation, I think the point everyone's making is if we'd have rotated less & treated Saturday as the title decider it was, rotation, tactics, & playing personnel wouldn't have mattered as we'd have achieved 2 out of 4 season objectives, with one remaining & three weeks plus to prepare.

This would have been my preference.

My preference too. But and it’s a big but. I don’t think we have four season objectives. Four trophies granted. And that is probably what we,as fans,mostly think about.
Pep and the club want a squad of 22/23 players that can slot in at anytime against any opponent and win.
They need match fitness.
They need to play different positions.
They need to know our patterns of play.
Their task within the pattern.
They need to know our set plays.
They need to be trusted in big games.
They need to know we trust them in big games.
That’s an objective in itself. And it will be high up on the list.

And that’s along with the argument of players needing rest. Not giving away first hand experience of how we play. Giving players the chance to earn a medal.
The list goes on. The objectives are many.

An out and out striker is just not for us. And I have come round to the fact that I actually don’t want us to get one.
I like the way we play and I’ve accepted that my favourite players might not play.

 

[Dribble]

My preference too. But and it’s a big but. I don’t think we have four season objectives. Four trophies granted. And that is probably what we,as fans,mostly think about.
Pep and the club want a squad of 22/23 players that can slot in at anytime against any opponent and win.
They need match fitness.
They need to play different positions.
They need to know our patterns of play.
Their task within the pattern.
They need to know our set plays.
They need to be trusted in big games.
They need to know we trust them in big games.
That’s an objective in itself. And it will be high up on the list.

And that’s along with the argument of players needing rest. Not giving away first hand experience of how we play. Giving players the chance to earn a medal.
The list goes on. The objectives are many.

An out and out striker is just not for us. And I have come round to the fact that I actually don’t want us to get one.
I like the way we play and I’ve accepted that my favourite players might not play.

I agree. We seem a stronger unit without a striker, albeit less dangerous as an out & out attacking force. I prefer the better balance we now have between attack & defence. What that means for the future of our strikers, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

As for rotation, we're at the business end of the season. Right now it's not about performances, but results & results bring prizes. There's many ways to close out the season. I'd have just preferred to have got the Premier League wrapped up, over & done with at our earliest opportunity, & then rested & rotated until the final.

 

[chedinho]

I agree. We seem a stronger unit without a striker, albeit less dangerous as an out & out attacking force. I prefer the better balance we now have between attack & defence. What that means for the future of our strikers, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

As for rotation, we're at the business end of the season. Right now it's not about performances, but results & results bring prizes. There's many ways to close out the season. I'd have just preferred to have got the Premier League wrapped up, over & done with at our earliest opportunity, & then rested & rotated until the final.

It is a bit disappointing that end to end games are going to become less frequent. We all love those especially if we win.
It also means Mendy is obsolete. Unless he can change his game dramatically not because he’s bad. It’s just the fact he only plays down the wing.

I will be as relieved as anyone when we get there. I’m just not sure which players will get us there yet.

 

[Fordyboy46]

It is a bit disappointing that end to end games are going to become less frequent. We all love those especially if we win.
It also means Mendy is obsolete. Unless he can change his game dramatically not because he’s bad. It’s just the fact he only plays down the wing.

I will be as relieved as anyone when we get there. I’m just not sure which players will get us there yet.

Believe me mate, Mendy is bad very bad

 

[chedinho]

Believe me mate, Mendy is bad very bad

I don’t believe you though.

I don’t think he’s suited to the way we want to set up. So we have to change to accommodate. Doesn’t help him and it doesn’t help the team.
Mendy suffers but zinchenco flourishes.
That’s football.

 

[MarsLlama]

Haha!

What, no smiley?!

Pep’s City?
Tuchel’s Chelsea?

Why not focus on the TEAMS, and realize that City played distinctly “second team” teams in both games.

Oh, and the second team on Saturday should have been 2-0 up at HT, and had a penalty before they got their second in the 93rd minute.

Even Tuchel admitted that if Aguero scores the game is over. Him not scoring gave them the impetus that our own players lacked…and even then we should have had a pen for 2-1, and the chances of a loss diminish to almost zero!

If both teams show up, City win. The end.

Now, it’s down to a one-off game for the CL, with both managers playing their best XI for the game. Absolutely nothing has changed that. Nothing.

Chelsea are a very good team, and there's no real reason to suspect that the tactics that beat our 2nd string XI couldn't beat our first team. They worked against Real Madrid after all. And United, playing essentially a worse version of the same tactic, regularly beat our best XI.

I'm seeing a whole lot of unfounded arrogance on here.

 

[MarsLlama]

Most of them wont have played them,but they will have played and beaten, Dortmund and PSG, and won the league so doubt they would have any inferiority complex about playing them.
Would expect them to be confident in that they are better than Chelsea.

Chelsea are far, far better than Dortmund and also a fair bit better than PSG.

 

[blueparrot]

Chelsea are far, far better than Dortmund and also a fair bit better than PSG.

Both debatable , but they definitely aren’t far better. In both the semi final and Saturday we more or less matched them with very weakened teams, when we play them in the final there will be 8 or 9 changes from both teams.
Doubt the 11 that play the final will feel they are facing a team they should fear, respect but not fear.

 

[MarsLlama]

Both debatable , but they definitely aren’t far better. In both the semi final and Saturday we more or less matched them with very weakened teams, when we play them in the final there will be 8 or 9 changes from both teams.
Doubt the 11 that play the final will feel they are facing a team they should fear, respect but not fear.

Yeah, we matched them and they still won, because we're vulnerable to teams like them- teams that take their chances and defend well. That applies to our best XI too. Remember the derby? In fact most of the derbies over the last years?

I don't see what I'm missing when I say there's absolutely no reason Chelsea couldn't repeat the feat in the final.

 

[blueparrot]

Yeah, we matched them and they still won, because we're vulnerable to teams like them- teams that take their chances and defend well. That applies to our best XI too. Remember the derby? In fact most of the derbies over the last years?

I don't see what I'm missing when I say there's absolutely no reason Chelsea couldn't repeat the feat in the final.

There are loads of reasons, not to say we can’t lose we can, but we are favourites, because we are better than them. Do they have better players than Haaland , Mbappe, Neymar at breaking no. So yes they scored 3 in the 2 games against us mainly because we didn’t play Walker and Zinchenko, we also didn’t play a front 5 that presses like KDB ,Bernardo, Foden Gundogan Mahrez In the final we will.

 

[ctwrd]

There are loads of reasons, not to say we can’t lose we can, but we are favourites, because we are better than them. Do they have better players than Haaland , Mbappe, Neymar at breaking no. So yes they scored 3 in the 2 games against us mainly because we didn’t play Walker and Zinchenko, we also didn’t play a front 5 that presses like KDB ,Bernardo, Foden Gundogan Mahrez In the final we will.

Exactly.
Many seasons at the end sides look back on SF results as being the big hurdle.
If we win, it will be the Dortmund and PSG games where we jumped that hurdle.
Pep and the players won’t approach it like that.
And it’s not arrogance for us to admit we are better than Chelsea that’s just a fact.
It doesn’t matter either, we’re not the ones playing.
Anyone who thinks the players will underestimate Chelsea doesn’t know our team