Coronavirus (2021) thread

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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
That will likely look quite different in a month. The 2/3 weeks from the 31st May will be the peak for second doses in the U.K. given that the peak for first doses will be 84/98 days previously. Part of the reason for the slight slowdown is to ensure there are sufficient stocks to give these second doses and a definite increase in ‘vaccine hesitancy’ from the younger groups.
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Looking at the small print, the graph doesn't look like it's split between 1st and 2nd doses. I am not sure what point you are making about the connection between vaccination rates and dose regimes. That graph looks like it tracks total doses given. I expect Germany is tracking upwards because their supply is based around Pfizer BionTech and the UK is stalled because our supply has been arrested by AZ and the drop in exports from India
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You're suggesting the UK will leap ahead again? It seems highly unlikely. The EU will cease being constrained by vaccine supply in that time.
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Who cares who’s winning? Clearly there are Brexit undertones here on both sides of the argument. The main thing is people are getting jabbed and not getting ill from it, which of looking good across the board by all accounts.
 
Can this new strain take on the mutation at 484 that confers some resistance in the South African variant and retain its infectivity? If it can, it will.
 
SWP's back said:
So the U.K. is well well well ahead of the EU then and the posters above you are wrong.
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I suggest you read again what "the posters above you" actually posted. Notably my good self:

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported).

Which is correct.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Remember how much better than the EU our vaccine investment, procurement and programme is?

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported). Cases and deaths are both falling across almost all member states, although only Portugal has rates as low as ours. It is not a coincidence that Portugal had a very hard lockdown, as we did.

Still, the narrative is what matters, right?

foreignpolicy.com

Industrial Policy Saved Europe’s Vaccine Drive

The EU got its act together not by banning exports but through classic cooperation with industry.
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By now, criticism of EU vaccine procurement has almost stopped. Vaccination rates have accelerated everywhere. Apart from Hungary and Malta, which are ahead, and Croatia, Latvia, and Bulgaria, which lag behind, most participants are moving ahead at the same speed. This common pace was the idea behind common procurement.

Member states obtained 14 million doses in January, 28 million in February, 60 million in March, and 105 million in April. The commission expects 125 million doses in May and 200 million in June, putting the bloc on track to have an annual capacity of 3 billion to 4 billion doses. Even when new vaccines become available, Breton said, Europe doesn’t need them. There are now 53 manufacturing sites in Europe, up from barely a dozen in January. According to Breton, “We should be proud of Europe’s industrial capacity.” His boss, von der Leyen, said Europe has used this crisis to reinvent itself and become stronger, as happened repeatedly in the past. She called Europe, still exporting almost half of its vaccine output, “the pharmacy of the world.”
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we have left - get over it - many many positives
 
SWP's back said:
Yeah because most people in the U.K. HAVE ALREADY been vaccinated. The EU has a massive fuck load of catching up to do but the U.K. has already broken covid’s back, especially vis a vis the most vulnerable.
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i think youre interpreting that completely incorrectly - the UK still has 10s of millions of unvaccinated people, plus 2nd jabs, there is no way that 'person availability' has anything to do with it at all??
 
SWP's back said:
Yes. By the CDC, yesterday.
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CDC statement in interim effectiveness of mRNA vaccines

Messenger RNA (mRNA) BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna) COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to be effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in randomized placebo-controlled Phase III trials (1,2); however, the benefits of these vaccines for preventing asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) infection, particularly when administered in real-world conditions, is less well understood. Using prospective cohorts of health care personnel, first responders, and other essential and frontline workers* in eight U.S. locations during December 14, 2020–March 13, 2021, CDC routinely tested for SARS-CoV-2 infections every week regardless of symptom status and at the onset of symptoms consistent with COVID-19–associated illness. Among 3,950 participants with no previous laboratory documentation of SARS-CoV-2 infection, 2,479 (62.8%) received both recommended mRNA doses and 477 (12.1%) received only one dose of mRNA vaccine.† Among unvaccinated participants, 1.38 SARS-CoV-2 infections were confirmed by reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) per 1,000 person-days.§ In contrast, among fully immunized (≥14 days after second dose) persons, 0.04 infections per 1,000 person-days were reported, and among partially immunized (≥14 days after first dose and before second dose) persons, 0.19 infections per 1,000 person-days were reported. Estimated mRNA vaccine effectiveness for prevention of infection, adjusted for study site, was 90% for full immunization and 80% for partial immunization. These findings indicate that authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of symptom status, among working-age adults in real-world conditions. COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for all eligible persons.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I suggest you read again what "the posters above you" actually posted. Notably my good self:

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported).

Which is correct.
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It’s also totally irrelevant.
 
SWP's back said:
The EU has a massive fuck load of catching up to do
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The EU vaccination programme is around 6 weeks behind the UK, and catching up. At the same time they are exporting half of what they make.

This is hardly a disaster - which is the point I was making. You'll note I've repeatedly said that the UK has done very well.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It's not just lose interest. A large slice of the media have an active interest in promoting a narrative that suits their owners, regardless of the truth.

Boris Johnson worked (was bankrolled in effect) by the Telegraph. The Telegraph is owned by two tax exiles wo live on the Channel Island of Sark. Boris Johnson is reaping the benefits of the narrative on vaccination and it's (nonexistent) link to Brexit, as told in outlets like the Telegraph.

If you're a billionaire in favour of lax regulation, low taxes, and personal access to government ministers, this all makes perfect sense.

I will add again, though, that the UK has genuinely done a great job on vaccination.
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We have given one does to nearly twice the percentage of France - so yes we clearly have
 
Marvin said:
CDC statement in interim effectiveness of mRNA vaccines

Messenger RNA (mRNA) BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna) COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to be effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in randomized placebo-controlled Phase III trials (1,2); however, the benefits of these vaccines for preventing asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) infection, particularly when administered in real-world conditions, is less well understood. Using prospective cohorts of health care personnel, first responders, and other essential and frontline workers* in eight U.S. locations during December 14, 2020–March 13, 2021, CDC routinely tested for SARS-CoV-2 infections every week regardless of symptom status and at the onset of symptoms consistent with COVID-19–associated illness. Among 3,950 participants with no previous laboratory documentation of SARS-CoV-2 infection, 2,479 (62.8%) received both recommended mRNA doses and 477 (12.1%) received only one dose of mRNA vaccine.† Among unvaccinated participants, 1.38 SARS-CoV-2 infections were confirmed by reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) per 1,000 person-days.§ In contrast, among fully immunized (≥14 days after second dose) persons, 0.04 infections per 1,000 person-days were reported, and among partially immunized (≥14 days after first dose and before second dose) persons, 0.19 infections per 1,000 person-days were reported. Estimated mRNA vaccine effectiveness for prevention of infection, adjusted for study site, was 90% for full immunization and 80% for partial immunization. These findings indicate that authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of symptom status, among working-age adults in real-world conditions. COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for all eligible persons.
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Your article is from April 2 2021.

You may wish to look at what they said yesterday.

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roubaixtuesday said:
Really? OK, in which case the numbers vaccinated by the UK are equally irrelevant.
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It’s totally irrelevant that they are now managing to vaccinate more per day than the U.K. when the U.K. has already vaccinated the vast majority of those at risk. Of course there would be some slow down, especially when the U.K. is focusing on 2nd doses. (You know, the second dose that takes it from 60% to 94% efficacy, something you said yesterday wasn’t a big difference.....)
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I suggest you read again what "the posters above you" actually posted. Notably my good self:

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported).

Which is correct.
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It's just geography though...

I'm really happy they got their stuff together as I have family in various countries and I'd like to be able to visit them ASAP but that article reads like some North Korean propaganda piece. It's so nauseatingly pro-EU, and from my knowledge littered with inaccuracies - though it does quite clearly contain a lot of accurate information too.
 
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