Covid and travel discussion

Got Spain booked for August 2nd, was originally booked for August 2020 but moved it back a year.
Hopefully we will go, long overdue a holiday.
Best of luck. Just make sure you take out specialist insurance because bog standard insurance won't cover you IF Spain remains on the amber list.

Also worth getting a G-HIC card (replacement for E-HIC - entitles you to health cover in the EU).
We applied for ours a few weeks ago and they came pretty quickly - at no cost.
 
I'm not hiding under my bed in any way, shape or form. I am, however, still happy to take every possible precaution until I, and loved ones are at no possible risk. To me, the trauma of potentially losing a grandparent, is far more damaging to my kids than missing out on a trip abroad. But hey, each to their own.

The crossing roads analogy is a false equivalency, but I suspect you knew that when you posted it.

As to your clown comment, respectfully, go fuck yourself.
Your life is over by the way. You may as well choose your funeral order of service now. You have declared that you with take every precaution until you are no possible risk.
There doesn’t exist a “no possible risk scenario”.
 
You're right, I think we are always, unfortunately, going to be living in the shadow of this thing.

Personally, when I'm confident that the UK and Europe has hit an 80% fully vaccinated threshold, I'll feel more comfortable.

Not perfect, but much safer.

Look, I get it. We all want a form of 'normal life' back again. But, in my opinion, 1 avoidable death is too many. So for now, missing out on a holiday abroad seems like a reasonable sacrifice.
Your ignorant mindset of “1 unavoidable death is too many” which if I can translate to “1 unavoidable covid death is too many” is nonsense also.

perhaps you are blind or deaf to the cancer crisis, patient backlogs etc... or just too brainwashed to understand that the covid measures have a consequence on other conditions and the wider health and well-being
 
I'm not hiding under my bed in any way, shape or form. I am, however, still happy to take every possible precaution until I, and loved ones are at no possible risk. To me, the trauma of potentially losing a grandparent, is far more damaging to my kids than missing out on a trip abroad. But hey, each to their own.

The crossing roads analogy is a false equivalency, but I suspect you knew that when you posted it.

As to your clown comment, respectfully, go fuck yourself.
Typical. Show no respect to the poster you replied to but don’t like a bit back. Have you or you’re vulnerable loved ones had your jabs yet?
 
Your ignorant mindset of “1 unavoidable death is too many” which if I can translate to “1 unavoidable covid death is too many” is nonsense also.

perhaps you are blind or deaf to the cancer crisis, patient backlogs etc... or just too brainwashed to understand that the covid measures have a consequence on other conditions and the wider health and well-being
Wtf are you on about? This isn't a zero sum game.

You cite cancer. Tell me, are there any very easy to implement precautions we can take to avoid most forms of cancer?

And yes I'm sure there are mental health issues involved with covid measures, just as I'm sure there have been and will be mental health issues connected to loss and grief at the avoidable death of loved ones due to covid.
 
Typical. Show no respect to the poster you replied to but don’t like a bit back. Have you or you’re vulnerable loved ones had your jabs yet?
Happy to take it back chief. Fire away. You called me a clown, I responded.

And yes, with the exception of the kids, we have. Your point being?
 
The problem now is that the government, by their repeated incompetence, have lost the trust of much of the population, which unsurprisingly is leading to people questioning the motivation for some of the rules. I've come to the conclusion that I will always stay legal but will make my own mind up about travel based on wider research rather than unquestionably follow government advice when I don't trust the fuckers.
 
Best of luck. Just make sure you take out specialist insurance because bog standard insurance won't cover you IF Spain remains on the amber list.

Also worth getting a G-HIC card (replacement for E-HIC - entitles you to health cover in the EU).
We applied for ours a few weeks ago and they came pretty quickly - at no cost.
E hics are valid until they run out.
 
I’m quite getting used to the lack of tourism and how quiet it is over here. Roads not filled with nobheads who forget which side to drive on, supermarkets with no queues and bars and restaurants always having availability.
Don’t get me wrong, this time next year I will be living in a box and drinking dogs piss to survive but I’ll be able to do it in peace so that’s a bonus :-)
Where are you Pablo?
 
No, it’s about all sorts of normality. I was using it as an example because it isn’t fair, not on her, not on children of all ages, be that early years, young primary age, secondary school age and even 17/18 year olds who are missing out on all the things I did and many others did at their age. Be that birthday parties or going out to clubs in town at 17/18. It’s not fair on any of them. People will die of it, but a lot more are dying of other things than COVID, the worst has been and gone. .
First dose of the vaccines and you’re about 80% protected and pretty much guaranteed to avoid a bad reaction to the virus. There is no need for the restrictions anymore. That’s a fact.
wrong. Can still catch it after 1st jab.
 
You cite cancer. Tell me, are there any very easy to implement precautions we can take to avoid most forms of cancer?

The problem when he cites cancer - as was done by many at the outset of the first wave as somehow a similar risk - is that you don't catch say bowel cancer because someone with bowel cancer breathing on you so thats as poor a suggestion as the one he made about crossing the road.

However girls can get a vaccine that prevents cancer - the HPV one which prevents cervical cancer - the "silent killer" that stole my mum. Shame it wasn't around in time for her eh?

Vaccines - who needs them lol?
 
The problem now is that the government, by their repeated incompetence, have lost the trust of much of the population, which unsurprisingly is leading to people questioning the motivation for some of the rules. I've come to the conclusion that I will always stay legal but will make my own mind up about travel based on wider research rather than unquestionably follow government advice when I don't trust the fuckers.
A great many people wouldn’t have a clue what the government has or hasn’t done. You’d be surprised how many people don’t pay attention to politics or ever watch the news. There’ll be a big chunk of people who only know who Boris is and couldn’t name you another person in the cabinet, never mind know what they’ve done throughout this pandemic.

My most recent ex of mine before this pandemic (who was more intelligent than me… not difficult, mind) never watched the “bad news” [as she called it], paid no attention to politics or politicians, never voted… and she will have been the same throughout this pandemic. She will have just checked the gov website or the Manchester Council Twitter account to keep up to date with the restrictions, which she will have followed.

But many people won’t have even done that and will have had no idea to even look or want to look in those places for the rules at any time, and will have just done what they wanted where they could throughout this pandemic.
 

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