Coronavirus (2021) thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

I see the same number of staff in the pubs I visit.

Do you normally not have table service in restaurants?

not at the Toby carvery !

 

[Healdplace]

Sadly the hospital numbers are also pretty bad news for the North West as the above might have inferred. Going up now noticeably more and in every measure.

Some regions are still falling and others at least holding their own. All th numbers going the wrong way are focused on the NW and easily the worst. And though not yet at very high level noticeably up on last week.

England Patients on Friday were 805 - up 62 wk to wk.

Over the weekend they FELL to 782 (Friday discharges not unusual) then rose to 807 Sunday and up big (53) to 860 today. That is 87 up on last Monday.

NW in that period went from 202 on Friday to 210 Saturday, 223 Sunday and 245 today. Needless to say most of the England rise in those 3 days were in the NW with the biggest of all today.

Worse still the ventilators rose from 119 Frida to 124 to 131 and 133 today.

And again the reason was the NW.

Down on 30 on Friday (though they were up to there from 16 two weeks before pre the variant taking root.

The rose every day over the weekend to 39 - 41 and 45 today.

The NW now for the first time in over 6 months has the most people in hospital and on ventilators.

London has 42.

These are not yet very concerning but they most definitely are somewhat concerning.

As if this is replicated across the UK then small rises will become bigger ones pretty quickly.

These are not good numbers and no point pretending otherwise. But as yet they are not out of control. Just getting worse. That is the problem.

The contrast between NW and Yorkshire is stark. They have just 98 in hospital and trending down. And 15 on ventilatotrs that has stayed ptretty steady

Before the NW outbreak 3 pr 4 wks back they were pretty level and Yorkshire had more on ventilatiors.

 

[Tonster]

Sadly the hospital numbers are also pretty bad news for the North West as the above might have inferred. Going up now noticeably more and in every measure.

Some regions are still falling and others at least holding their own. All th numbers going the wrong way are focused on the NW and easily the worst. And though not yet at very high level noticeably up on last week.

England Patients on Friday were 805 - up 62 wk to wk.

Over the weekend they FELL to 782 (Friday discharges not unusual) then rose to 807 Sunday and up big (53) to 860 today. That is 87 up on last Monday.

NW in that period went from 202 on Friday to 210 Saturday, 223 Sunday and 245 today. Needless to say most of the England rise in those 3 days were in the NW with the biggest of all today.

Worse still the ventilators rose from 119 Frida to 124 to 131 and 133 today.

And again the reason was the NW.

Down on 30 on Friday (though they were up to there from 16 two weeks before pre the variant taking root.

The rose every day over the weekend to 39 - 41 and 45 today.

The NW now for the first time in over 6 months has the most people in hospital and on ventilators.

London has 42.

These are not yet very concerning but they most definitely are somewhat concerning.

As if this is replicated across the UK then small rises will become bigger ones pretty quickly.

These are not good numbers and no point pretending otherwise. But as yet they are not out of control. Just getting worse. That is the problem.

The contrast between NW and Yorkshire is stark. They have just 98 in hospital and trending down. And 15 on ventilatotrs that has stayed ptretty steady

Before the NW outbreak 3 pr 4 wks back they were pretty level and Yorkshire had more on ventilatiors.

Depends as well though what those hospitalisations entail. If they are staying shorter periods with milder illness and quicker discharges it’s not always as clear cut as raw numbers

 

[unicorn]

And does that apply to night clubs and weddings etc. Hopefully not!

My lad and I are both hoping for club venue gigs in Manchester in late June !

 

[Healdplace]

Depends as well though what those hospitalisations entail. If they are staying shorter periods with milder illness and quicker discharges it’s not always as clear cut as raw numbers

Thats why I focused on the ventilted ICU numbers rising. More than doubled in the NW whilst other areas steady or falling. The numbers are not huge but it is obviously not good news they are climbing.

 

[unicorn]

I see the same number of staff in the pubs I visit.

Do you normally not have table service in restaurants?

You clearly visit very different pubs to the ones I go to (typically a 1,000 a year), which certainly have more staff on relative to custom, or are operating reduced hours to cope !

Covid regs certainly adds to the cost of running a restaurant, and all the Covid regulations have certainly deterred the older folk who struggle with masks and apps.

What I would say is that the regulations including Track and Trace and masks don't bother us, but they certainly grind down the publicans I speak to).

 

[True_Blue69]

have to say I disagree, Independant Sage have done nothing but push for stronger and further restrictions and they get plenty of airtime in the media.

There will always be further variants that they will want more data on and there will always be people who don’t want to or can’t have the vaccine.

If there’s going to be an exit wave better to get it out of the way now rather than flu season

Was reading at weekend that independent sage are very politically left sided and basically just say whatever they can to make the government look bad. I wouldn’t pay any attention to them, why are they even chipping in anyway.

 

[Healdplace]

Cases across the regions:


Change in last 24 hrs V seven days ago


SOUTH


East 321 V 228 - yesterday must have been a glitch.

London Down 34 to 601 V 381 - going up now noticeably wk to wk

South Eas UP 119 to 545 V 311 - same here - numbers climbing too

South West UP 12 to 202 V 64 - tripled again here week to week



South starting to show early signs of going into the NW escalation phase. On Zoe today London and surrounds has multiple areas over 1000 for first time.






MIDLANDS



East UP 80 to 298 V 168

West UP 32 to 361 V 217


Numbers rising wk to wk here too




NORTH



North East UP 44 to 210 V 83 - nearly tripled here too in the week

Yorkshire up 63 to 557 V 279 - even here doubled week to week


AND

NORTH WEST UP 68 to 1673 V 1038 - again up wk to wk


Nothing much to note one way or the other here. But at least the last 5 days have been quite flat - which is hopeful as numbers are 1643 - 1755 - 1752 - 1605 - 1673

The equivalent numbers a week ago were 1025 - 1251 - 781 - 935 - 1038

Hard to call what this means. If anything.

 

[uweblue]

Mad question if they had to do another lockdown, I just don't think anyone would do it anymore, I don't think there would be a compliance for another lockdown.

I think the nation as a whole has given up on that idea, this is why I can't see it being too long before we open up. No one wants it anymore,

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Depends as well though what those hospitalisations entail. If they are staying shorter periods with milder illness and quicker discharges it’s not always as clear cut as raw numbers

I was wondering about this - there certainly seems to be anecdotal evidence this is the case, whether because cases are concentrated in the young, or because the older people are generally vaccinated.

Is there any hard data on it? If it's a major change, it could be very significant.

 

[Tonster]

I was wondering about this - there certainly seems to be anecdotal evidence this is the case, whether because cases are concentrated in the young, or because the older people are generally vaccinated.

Is there any hard data on it? If it's a major change, it could be very significant.

No, as you say seems anecdotal evidence and quotes that the stays seem shorter and symptoms more mild. Which hopefully keeps the pressure off and the death numbers low.

 

[worsleyweb]

The Govt handling of the recent weeks has been awful, they seem to be making it up as the go along now.
Don't trust a word they say, I don't like Cummings but agree with a lot of stuff he said. Clowns.

you should have said

 

[Healdplace]

Full GM details:


Total cases 825 - down 2 on Yesterday - which is good as NW rose by 68 on the day

Wk to wk up 194 of the NW rise of 635 - well under the expected 50%.

So GM not rising as fast as some areas in NW are week to week. So good day here.


BOROUGH / CASES TODAY / V YESTERDAY / V LAST WEEK


BOLTON 114 / DOWN 6 / DOWN 37

BURY 59 / DOWN 9 / UP 20

MANCHESTER 173 / DOWN 20 / UP 8

OLDHAM 44 / UP 2 / UP 13

ROCHDALE 51 / UP 6 / UP 22

SALFORD 77 / DOWN 6 / UP 14

STOCKPORT 97 / UP 22 / UP 64

TAMESIDE 58 / UP 14 / UP 25

TRAFFORD 65 / UP 9 / UP 26

WIGAN 87 / DOWN 14 / UP 39


Apart from a pretty poor day for Stockport with biggest rises both day to day and week to week the rest of the area did fairly good today.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Given the % of people over 65 double jabbed will be about 90% now I believe, that’s pretty amazing. Seems like hardly any reduction in prevention of severe disease in the fully vaccinated?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I was wondering about this - there certainly seems to be anecdotal evidence this is the case, whether because cases are concentrated in the young, or because the older people are generally vaccinated.

Is there any hard data on it? If it's a major change, it could be very significant.

My contact at a NHS trust has said hospitalisation s in their area have been younger people for short stays in the past month.

 

[SWP's back]

Given the % of people over 65 double jabbed will be about 90% now I believe, that’s pretty amazing. Seems like hardly any reduction in prevention of severe disease in the fully vaccinated?

To put that in context, with normal flu, 12,300 cases would generally see 12 deaths. Vaccines work at reducing severity with only 3 doubled jabbed needing hospital.

 

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester

Weekly total cases:-




Oldham 241, Tameside 246. Rochdale 329, Trafford 375, Bury 385, Wigan 540, Stockport 586, Salford 612, Bolton 904, Manchester 1255.



Manchester which is not surprisingly nearly always top scorer given its size is now pulling well clear. Bolton still easily in second but Salford and Stockport closing in.

We now have to await some sign others can turn things around like Bolton has. THough Bolton's fall has slowed lately too.

Nobody now left below 200 either when only Manchester and Bolton were over there two weeks ago

 

[ayrshire_blue]

641 cases in Scotland today

22 in people aged 65+ (notable increase here though still relatively small numbers. This figure was regularly around 5 just a couple of weeks ago)
109 aged 45-64

235 aged 25-44
271 aged 0-24

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20.5k first doses
23k second doses

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.




Bolton 314 / 381 DOWN 67 Testing positive 10.8%

Salford 237 / 132 / UP 105 Testing positive 9.4%

Manchester 227 / 129 / UP 98 Testing positive 10.1%

Bury 201 / 129 / UP 72 Testing positive 9.5%

Stockport 199 / 82 / UP 117 Testing positive 7.5%

Wigan 164 / 89 / UP 75 Testing positive 9.2%

Trafford 158 / 76 / UP 82 Testing positive 7.4

Rochdale 148 / 94 / UP 54 Testing positive 10.0 %

Tameside 104 / 62 / UP 42 Testing positive 8.4

Oldham 101 / 75 / UP 26 Testing positive 10.0%






Bolton still falling and only 77 now ahead of Salford. Not near 300 as it was.

Stockport bad day takes it JUST below a POP of 200 until tomorrow when it was on Pop of just 17 and the best in GM exactly two weeks ago today.

That jump of 182 in two weeks is a real concern - as I warned a few days back was happening in the borough but was asked if I had something aginst the town....no I absolutely do not. Just reporting what I was wat6ching happen and has gradually come true sadly. Hopefully it will reverse now schools are back if this is where it is rising.


The best two boroughs in GM both wet into three figures and GM has not had all 10 this high since last Winter.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I saw on SKY News this morning that one in 25 new positive tests come from people who have been double vaxxed. Wouldn't mind betting the vast majority of those are the bellends who think that bestows upon them some sort of invincible status and have stopped wearing masks and social distancing !!??