Coronavirus (2021) thread

[KS55]

My auntie went into Wythenshawe hospital with a relatively minor complication related to a heart operation she had 18 months prior.

Caught covid somehow in there and died.

The NHS is brilliant, they’re all heroes, let’s pay them a gazillion quid a year and bang our pots and pans and do laps of the garden until the cows come home yadda yadda.

It’s also monumentally shite at things like infection control and admin.

My step mum also died of covid acquired on a routine hospital visit.
I need xrays on my hips, my consultant told me to leave it for now as my local hospital is "full of infection" (his words).
I had to go anyway for a scan on kidney stone. I saw no evidence at all of any serious infection control measures. Some staff not even wearing masks.

 

[Tonster]

I doubt they are safer than the UK, it's probably because you have been vaccinated by the UK that makes it safer. They're amber for a reason, I hope you follow the rules.

Some are amber for a reason. Some clearly are not. Take Malta for example. By every measure set by the UK Government they should be green but politically have been set as amber

 

[Craig]

I doubt they are safer than the UK, it's probably because you have been vaccinated by the UK that makes it safer. They're amber for a reason, I hope you follow the rules.

Well, take somewhere like Malta. They’ve had 420 deaths in total from Covid. I went last October and it was clearly much safer than England as the vast majority were eating and drinking outside due to the weather. Fast forward to now where they’ve also been vaccinated and you think Malta isn’t safer than England because Boris has put it on amber?

The whole thing is bizarre bullshit emphasised by the farce of 2 England players having to isolate after Gilmour testing positive but the players he’s been with constantly aren’t required too.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Idiots and the selfish don't care anymore.

football stadiums are packed over the world with countries that have higher case rates than us.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Depends on what they were in hospital for and where they caught it (i.e. in hospital). Being double jabbed doesn’t prevent heart attacks/terminal cancer/broken bones

fair comment.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Idiots and the selfish don't care anymore.

I know. Let’s just stay in our houses forever because a gazillion things beyond our boundary could kill us!!! Get a grip. I think people have quite rightly had enough of this absolute piss take.

 

[west didsblue]

I feel I know the answer already but are you fine with the knowledge you maybe spreading the delta variant to countries that may not be in a situation to handle it? Clearly dependant on which countries it is mind you.

It is those countries responsibility to protect their population from variants coming from outside. I would fully understand it if we were banned from entry to countries around the world because of our rapidly increasing case rate but maybe those countries are only allowing entry for vaccinated people. It's not our government's responsibility to stop us leaving. It's their responsibility to stop infected people arriving; something they've spectacularly failed to do. Quarantining arrivals from countries with much lower rates than ours seems bizarre irrespective of vaccine status, which is what's happening with most of the main holiday destinations across Europe.

 

[grunge]

It is those countries responsibility to protect their population from variants coming from outside. I would fully understand it if we were banned from entry to countries around the world because of our rapidly increasing case rate but maybe those countries are only allowing entry for vaccinated people. It's not our government's responsibility to stop us leaving. It's their responsibility to stop infected people arriving; something they've spectacularly failed to do. Quarantining arrivals from countries with much lower rates than ours seems bizarre irrespective of vaccine status, which is what's happening with most of the main holiday destinations across Europe.

Agreed, but i was talking morals vs laws. Morally are they fine with the fact they could be really screwing over other countries with such a gung ho "I dont give a fuck" attitude.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

In the week ending June 11th only 84 of the 10,204 deaths in England and Wales were Covid related (0.84%).

This shows that a panic stricken climate of fear has replaced all rational thought.

 

[mcfc_ms]

Depends on what they were in hospital for and where they caught it (i.e. in hospital). Being double jabbed doesn’t prevent heart attacks/terminal cancer/broken bones

Exactly. My mum broke her arm a few weeks ago and was tested several times and come back negative. If she tested positive, would she be one of the ones counted as ‘in hospital with covid’ even if she was double jabbed and had no symptoms?

 

[feelymcfeel]

Exactly. My mum broke her arm a few weeks ago and was tested several times and come back negative. If she tested positive, would she be one of the ones counted as ‘in hospital with covid’ even if she was double jabbed and had no symptoms?

Yes, although i read a few days back NHS Trusts are now being asked to separate out those in hospital with covid and those in because of covid in their reporting.

 

[Healdplace]

I must admit I am ( I think ) beginning to break the covid. I went round my kid brothers house the other day for a bbq. We went inside as it started to rain for a few hours.
My aunt and uncle have visited this week from Cornwall and came in for a brew.
This weekend my kid brother, aunt and uncle are coming over for a bbq.

We might be breaking covid19 guidelines. We have followed the guidelines to the letter but we have all had the jab.
We see packed beaches and than the jocks all packed into London.

My close family and our kids all have had the jab now. So we are living life like normal now. That could be breaking guidelines I guess, I dont know !

But after 18 of doing nothing and watching so many people breaking guidelines. I think we are being sensible. I still wear a mask in shops etc and wash hands alot 2 metre rule etc when out and about in public

Just avoid any family members or close contact with friends called Gordon would be my suggestion.

 

[Healdplace]

Yes, although i read a few days back NHS Trusts are now being asked to separate out those in hospital with covid and those in because of covid in their reporting.

It happens sadly. As I reported last year someone in my family tested positive for Covid along with her family who were looking after her. They were fine and quickly recovered. She was elderly and hospitalised but quickly seemed to get well enough to go home. They would not send her home without home care plans put in motion despite living with family. That took ages given the pandemic and she was kept on the Covid ward surrounded by sick peoople and died within a day or so of finally being allowed home.

Funeral on You Tube. Covid death in the records - though she had not had obvious symptoms of that when sent home. So very possibly not the cause. Or if so was made worse by being surrounded by patients who did have it quite badly for weeks. And probably something that greatly exaggerates our stats to make us look like one of the worst in the world. When other nations are less honest and undercount.

Whilst this is an awful disease if you are unlucky a lot of Covid deaths in our stats are really little more than guesswork I suspect.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

0 deaths - was 0 last week

175 cases - was 98 last week

Positivity - 1.5% last week (not given today so far will update when does)

 

[Marvin]

This K417N Delta plus variant seems to be a bit of hype. Unless I am misunderstanding the data there has been 58 detections of this mutation over the 'last 28 days but it does not seem to me to be getting more frequent?

I think the red flag would be those mutations that occur day after day and increase in number rapidly because the mutation is conferring some advantage.

I read this data as suggesting isolated mutations.

You can see some mutations are being picked up repeatedly but do they confer any advantage?

 

[Healdplace]

Latest weekly antibody data (to last week) (I have added hospital data for context)

Population with antibodies to Covid (via both catching it and/or vaccinations I assume)

Wales 88.7% of population - up in wk from 82.7% - deaths last week 1, 44 hospital patients, 1 on ventilator

England 86.6% of population - up in wk from 80.3% - deaths last week 51, 1290 hospital patients, 212 on ventiltors

N Ireland 85.4% of population - up in wk from 79.9% - deaths last week 0, 16 hospital patients, 0 on ventilator

Scotland 79.1% of population - up in wk from 72.6% - deaths last week 11, 158 hospital patients, 14 on ventilators


These are probably the numbers that tell you most why cases have been rising for weeks but deaths are staying very low and pretty flat.

But there are still 11 - 21% of the various nations susceptible to Covid.

But as you see that number is falling fast week to week and come mid July will hopefully be negligible.

What happens to that hospital data does as the % grows via new cases AND vaccinations is crucial to full opeing up in mid July but so far it looks very hopeful we are winning the race.

 

[uweblue]

Latest weekly antibody data (to last week)

Population with antibodies to Covid (via both catching it and/or vaccinations I assume)

Wales 88.7% of population - up in wk from 82.7%

England 86.6% of population - up in wk from 80.3%

N Ireland 85.4% of population - up in wk from 79.9%

Scotland 79.1% of population - up in wk from 72.6%


These are probably the numbers that tell you most why cases have been rising for weeks but deaths are staying very low and pretty flat.

But there are still 11 - 21% of the various nations susceptible to Covid.

But as you see it is falling fast week to week and come mid July will hopefully be negligible.

Out of 11% to 21% you would think majority would be in the 16 to 30 age group, ie not vaccinated

 

[Healdplace]

Out of 11% to 21% you would think majority would be in the 16 to 30 age group, ie not vaccinated

Yes, which is why the focus is on them right now and they are largely responding with big queues reported.

Very encouraging that the ones saying no on here are a noisy minority and most Brits have the common sense I always thought they did. Because they deserve a path back to normality and thankfully most of them fully understand the best and quickest route to getting there is via the jabs not via jabbering nonsense on Twitter.

Also note the clear link between best numbers of vaccinations in Wales and lowest cases and death numbers

And the reverse in Scotland where things have not gone so well.

Exactly what we see in the vaccination data and cases data in Greater Manchester pretty much every day in here - eg Manchester v Stockport and how Bolton once it went into express mode on vaccinations has fallen from worst in the region to better than half the other boroughs.

Hancock said earlier the data is looking positive for reopening and this data taken together is why.

Not to mention the reality that numbers in hospital in the most vulnerable group is staying flat. low and below the younger ones who largely stay in hospital only a few days not weeks creating a much lower total day to day despite rising cases.

Because almost everyone catching it now is young and largely brushes Covid off with moderate illness. Especially if vaccinated twice.

The flat line on the data graphs for hospitalisations of the vulnerable is WAY better news than the flat line on the ECG monitors we had in the last wave in January because we had then yet to get the population vaccinated.

It is a triumph of science and those not seeing this need to take a long hard look at the facts.

 

[twosips]

This K417N Delta plus variant seems to be a bit of hype. Unless I am misunderstanding the data there has been 58 detections of this mutation over the 'last 28 days but it does not seem to me to be getting more frequent?

I think the red flag would be those mutations that occur day after day and increase in number rapidly because the mutation is conferring some advantage.

I read this data as suggesting isolated mutations.

You can see some mutations are being picked up repeatedly but do they confer any advantage?

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Gonna be honest mate, I reckon none of us understand this other than you...

 

[grunge]

Gonna be honest mate, I reckon none of us understand this other than you...

Agreed but it does give jumping off points for reading material so all good :)