We have 5 out of 9 classes all isolating this week because of 1 positive case in each class. Of course, there may well be more positives we don’t know if because they’ve not all been tested but we surely must be able to test ourselves out of this lunacy. LFT every day, if you’re negative, in you come.Don’t you think it’s about time we stopped counting positive tests and focussed just on hospitalisations and deaths, like we do with every other respiratory virus that visits us on a regular basis?
9000 confirmed ‘cases’ in school children last week led to 250000 being absent from school, which is completely unjustifiable on any level.
If they were at work in their office at Westminster they could have gone much further than chit chat.My son, early 20s, was in a bar in town last night with 5 friends. A couple of single lads on the end of the table started chatting with girls on an adjacent table. I assume, as the drinks flowed, the contact got closer, and my son and friends were kicked out for mixing tables. I’ve not problem with that, as it meant my son was tucked up in bed by midnight, and the pub were following the rules. But is this the sort of thing that will end when restrictions are lifted? Or will it depend on social distancing rules? It will be nice when young men and women can do what young men and women are supposed to do, without feeling like they’re still in year 9 french!!!
I teach so I’ve a shedload of LFTs. Negative today. I’ll check on that and if the app is advisory I might well do the daily testing etc as you suggest
I hope you look after you're pupils better than you look after you're pal !!!!We have 5 out of 9 classes all isolating this week because of 1 positive case in each class. Of course, there may well be more positives we don’t know if because they’ve not all been tested but we surely must be able to test ourselves out of this lunacy. LFT every day, if you’re negative, in you come.
My son, early 20s, was in a bar in town last night with 5 friends. A couple of single lads on the end of the table started chatting with girls on an adjacent table. I assume, as the drinks flowed, the contact got closer, and my son and friends were kicked out for mixing tables. I’ve not problem with that, as it meant my son was tucked up in bed by midnight, and the pub were following the rules. But is this the sort of thing that will end when restrictions are lifted? Or will it depend on social distancing rules? It will be nice when young men and women can do what young men and women are supposed to do, without feeling like they’re still in year 9 french!!!
Do you know if that figure on Pfizer you quoted is also applicable for the delta variant as well? Had to collect my youngest yesterday due to a positive case in the classroom and me and the wife are on 1 Pfizer dose from over two weeks ago but she’s a bit worried as we are also getting mainly the Delta variant here in the AlgarveExactly - always has been. Covid is an endemic disease. We are not eradicating it any time soon if ever. Seems like flu you can get it repeatedly too.
So the BEST thing we can do is create ways to make it into a moderate at worst illness that leads to a few days at home off work not weeks in icu.
That is the reality I suspect many people still do not really understand. Vaccines are not magic, But they get sold as if they are to ensure most people take them as this is a horrible disease.
The vaccine data that matters as revealed from the current UK numbers is far and away the reason we are riding out what would be a tragic Summer wave like it was in India without them.
After one dose Pfizer has a 94% reduction NOT in you catching Covid but in preventing hospitalisation if you do. It only rises to 96% after both doses.
AZ is different - much lower (though still 71 %) after one dose - but not far behind up to 92% after both doses
These have resulted in an increasing fall off of hospital numbers as we jab more. We are not going to have thosands in hospital and on ventilators this time around it is starting to look safe to predict. And the mortality rate from Covid - which will never be zero at any age - has fallen a lot too. Even with a more virulent spreading version,
The reason is very simply that we got one thing right and bet on the vaccines in a bigger way than most countries did up front. And they paid off and are stopping a catastrophe unfolding right now.
Ha ha ha nice one!I hope you look after you're pupils better than you look after you're pal !!!!
You’re quite correct:Believe the app is advisory (and all over the place wrt who it pings)
a call from them however is mandatory
if it’s just the app and I was you i’d go and get a pack of 7 LFT’s from the chemist and do one every day and go about my life as normal unless i got a positive test
September last year was when they brought in the legislation making it an offence to not isolate with fines for doing so. It specifically excludes the app and this legislation has not been amended at all since.I teach so I’ve a shedload of LFTs. Negative today. I’ll check on that and if the app is advisory I might well do the daily testing etc as you suggest
Don’t the school have guidance for situations like this ?I teach so I’ve a shedload of LFTs. Negative today. I’ll check on that and if the app is advisory I might well do the daily testing etc as you suggest
The use of the word "case" is also wrong. Case implies people getting ill and needing treatment. What is happening is positive tests in young people. At least one third of them will have no symptoms at all and the vast majority of the rest will be very slightly affected. It is misleading use of language which has been a problem throughout this pandemic.Don’t you think it’s about time we stopped counting positive tests and focussed just on hospitalisations and deaths, like we do with every other respiratory virus that visits us on a regular basis?
9000 confirmed ‘cases’ in school children last week led to 250000 being absent from school, which is completely unjustifiable on any level.
I think it was a study on the efficacy against the delta variant cartied out from recent data - so I assume so given nearly all UK cases are now Delta anyway.Do you know if that figure on Pfizer you quoted is also applicable for the delta variant as well? Had to collect my youngest yesterday due to a positive case in the classroom and me and the wife are on 1 Pfizer dose from over two weeks ago but she’s a bit worried as we are also getting mainly the Delta variant here in the Algarve
Yep, waiting to hear from the Local Authority who advise on isolating etcDon’t the school have guidance for situations like this ?
We can and must ignore cases.We have to record BOTH cases and hospitalisations.
Yes. cases matter less than the did as I have said often in here because the link is weakened between cases and deaths thanks to the vaccines.
But you cannot ignore cases because they are the only way to know if an area is rising or falling and if measures taken are working.
In reality the Pop Scores are the best guide which is why I focus on them more than ever these days. Because they tll you cases relative to population and chart what thos cases mean for the rise and fall of infections in each area.
In terms of decision making the key IS tp keep hospital numbers and the consequences icu, ventilators and deaths to a minimum so the NHS can function.
And again I focus on that every night with a full report of the hospital data across the regions and nations because that is npw so vital. But in their wisdom these numbers were stopped on the weeked some months back and so I can only do this Mondays to Fridays.
The rthird metric is the vaccinations which I also update daily for GM.
There may be different importance on each one at different times but the reality is we need all of these things.
Cases tell us - epecially via positivity rates added - if an area is rising or falling.
The Pop score charts each place relative to one another so we can see if they are goung up or down and how well measures are working.
The vaccinations versus the cases occurring there tell us how well we are doing in our best weapon to dampen Covid down.
And the hospital- ventilators - deaths show us the degree to whichour control over the outbreak is being strengthened by the measures and vaccinations.
These all interact. If you did not know how many cases were happening today and next week you could not know how good or bad the number of people in hospital and dying several weeks later because of those cases lopks and the extent to which the vaccination programme is working to mitigate the outbreak.
You’ve still better going off advice on here tbf ;-)Yep, waiting to hear from the Local Authority who advise on isolating etc
Over 3 million tests per million population though?We have to record BOTH cases and hospitalisations.
Yes. cases matter less than the did as I have said often in here because the link is weakened between cases and deaths thanks to the vaccines.
But you cannot ignore cases because they are the only way to know if an area is rising or falling and if measures taken are working.
In reality the Pop Scores are the best guide which is why I focus on them more than ever these days. Because they tll you cases relative to population and chart what thos cases mean for the rise and fall of infections in each area.
In terms of decision making the key IS tp keep hospital numbers and the consequences icu, ventilators and deaths to a minimum so the NHS can function.
And again I focus on that every night with a full report of the hospital data across the regions and nations because that is npw so vital. But in their wisdom these numbers were stopped on the weeked some months back and so I can only do this Mondays to Fridays.
The rthird metric is the vaccinations which I also update daily for GM.
There may be different importance on each one at different times but the reality is we need all of these things.
Cases tell us - epecially via positivity rates added - if an area is rising or falling.
The Pop score charts each place relative to one another so we can see if they are goung up or down and how well measures are working.
The vaccinations versus the cases occurring there tell us how well we are doing in our best weapon to dampen Covid down.
And the hospital- ventilators - deaths show us the degree to whichour control over the outbreak is being strengthened by the measures and vaccinations.
These all interact. If you did not know how many cases were happening today and next week you could not know how good or bad the number of people in hospital and dying several weeks later because of those cases lopks and the extent to which the vaccination programme is working to mitigate the outbreak.
The use of the word "case" is also wrong. Case implies people getting ill and needing treatment. What is happening is positive tests in young people. At least one third of them will have no symptoms at all and the vast majority of the rest will be very slightly affected. It is misleading use of language which has been a problem throughout this pandemic.
We can and must ignore cases.
unless we do not wish to return to normal. Then let’s concern ourselves with cases.
You’re dead right! Never knew the app was advisory’til I read it in here. BM The Font of All KnowledgeYou’ve still better going off advice on here tbf ;-)