#5 | John Stones - 2020/21 Performances

[meltonblue]

Not all of us. He's been patronised by too many people crediting Dias with his Renaissance when in reality they've been as important to each other. He's one of the best in Europe now.

Exactly, completely agree.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Not all of us. He's been patronised by too many people crediting Dias with his Renaissance when in reality they've been as important to each other. He's one of the best in Europe now.

Well stated!

Given a solid partner at the back, he has been able to nurture and grow his own game.

He was done for pace by Muller, as evidenced by Walker making up about 8 yards on him and shoving him out of the way trying to stop “the shot,” but he has been immense this whole season, for both club and country!

 

[FantasyIreland]

Not all of us. He's been patronised by too many people crediting Dias with his Renaissance when in reality they've been as important to each other. He's one of the best in Europe now.

Yep,said it myself many times.They are very good individually but they work even better together,they bring out the best in each other.

Maybe the best partnership in Europe.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Yep,said it myself many times.They are very good individually but they work even better together,they bring out the best in each other.

Maybe the best partnership in Europe.

He was awesome last night BTW,probably MOTM.

 

[Eccles Blue]

John Boy always gives of his best and it is not always recognised. He just quietly gets on with the job and helps others at times with his steadiness.
On Tuesday he was calming Pickford down and encouraging others around him in his own inimitable way. For me he was MOTM.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

He's now found the consistency to be classed as a world class CB.
Take a bow, mate.

One good season isn't enough. He still has to prove himself

 

[Phil1]

One good season isn't enough. He still has to prove himself

To you maybe. I’m quite at ease calling him WC and he’s got fuck all to prove to me.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

To you maybe. I’m quite at ease calling him WC and he’s got fuck all to prove to me.

Calling him world class after a good season isn't a good look for anyone who claims to know about football, Mangala had a great season at Porto before signing with us, would you have referred to Mangala as world class back then?

 

[Phil1]

Calling him world class after a good season isn't a good look for anyone who claims to know about football, Mangala had a great season at Porto before signing with us, would you have referred to Mangala as world class back then?

Mangala never had all the attributes that makes a WC CB, Stones always has and over the last 12 months for both City and England he’s shown it.
You can take your not a good look comment and shove it up your arse, thanks.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Mangala had a great season at Porto before signing with us, would you have referred to Mangala as world class back then?

Come on man, that's a god awful comparison.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Calling him world class after a good season isn't a good look for anyone who claims to know about football, Mangala had a great season at Porto before signing with us, would you have referred to Mangala as world class back then?

It's not one season.He has shown his ability over a number of years,even labelled a Rolls Royce by many,but unfortunately those periods have been interrupted by off field issues.....he was Englands best defender in the WC,and he is proving so again in this tournament.
Look around other countries,who would you rather have in your lie up?

 

[5 Hit Gibbon]

Rumour has it that Beckenbauer now refers to himself as the German John Stones!

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It's not one season.He has shown his ability over a number of years,even labelled a Rolls Royce by many,but unfortunately those periods have been interrupted by off field issues.....he was Englands best defender in the WC,and he is proving so again in this tournament.
Look around other countries,who would you rather have in your lie up?

If an extended multi-year period of excellent play is the qualifying metric for "world class" - then, for me, John Stones, as good as he has been last year, doesn't merit the accolade. In recent years Stones has been prone to lapses of concentration resulting in extremely costly, entirely avoidable errors; this undermined his performances to the extent that he fell out of favor and wasn't a first choice starter.

Kudo's to Stones for almost entirely eliminating these sorts of errors from his game.
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If however - the criterion for "world class" is outstanding play over the course of last season - then Stones is "world class."
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For me, the term "world class" is mostly about last season - and I would rate Stones as "world class."

 

[Phil1]

If an extended multi-year period of excellent play is the qualifying metric for "world class" - then, for me, John Stones, as good as he has been last year, doesn't merit the accolade. In recent years Stones has been prone to lapses of concentration resulting in extremely costly, entirely avoidable errors; this undermined his performances to the extent that he fell out of favor and wasn't a first choice starter.

Kudo's to Stones for almost entirely eliminating these sorts of errors from his game.
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If however - the criterion for "world class" is outstanding play over the course of last season - then Stones is "world class."
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For me, the term "world class" is mostly about last season - and I would rate Stones as "world class."

It’s a lot more straight forward for me.
If I could choose a CB pairing out of every player in the world in that position then it would be Stones and Dias for me. Everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Mangala never had all the attributes that makes a WC CB, Stones always has and over the last 12 months for both City and England he’s shown it.
You can take your not a good look comment and shove it up your arse, thanks.

I don't know of many attackers who see the name Stones and start trembling, if anything he is always seen as the weak link, rating him as world class is a joke but let's get behind him anyway, he is a blue after all.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I don't know of many attackers who see the name Stones and start trembling, if anything he is always seen as the weak link, rating him as world class is a joke but let's get behind him anyway, he is a blue after all.

You're entitled to your opinion of Stones - it's subjective - no one is wrong.

At the same time, you seem to dismiss those who claim Stones is world class as simply rooting for the shirt.

On this last point, you are clearly mistaken.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57356719

Stones is in the PFA team of the year - and for good reason.

 

[Phil1]

I don't know of many attackers who see the name Stones and start trembling, if anything he is always seen as the weak link, rating him as world class is a joke but let's get behind him anyway, he is a blue after all.

I don’t want them to tremble, I want them to walk off the pitch after 90 mins having not scored and more often than not that’s the case.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It’s a lot more straight forward for me.
If I could choose a CB pairing out of every player in the world in that position then it would be Stones and Dias for me. Everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday.

Dias and a player not to be mentioned on these forums lest drawing the ire of all and sundry for me :-)... Dias/Stones a close second.

 

[Phil1]

Dias and a player not to be mentioned on these forums lest drawing the ire of all and sundry for me :-)... Dias/Stones a close second.

If it’s van dyke you’re talking about it’s a fair shout but I would have Jonny boulders all day long.

 

[super_city_si]

Calling him world class after a good season isn't a good look for anyone who claims to know about football, Mangala had a great season at Porto before signing with us, would you have referred to Mangala as world class back then?

Hardly one good seoson. This is the same form he showed in the centurions seaosn before he was injured and hes done it in patches in between.