Italy v England | Euro 2020 Final

What will the result be?

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coolcity said:
Absolutely spot on. I've been saying exactly that for years, how can we lose something we've never won? I didn't buy the crap about Foden being injured either, but to be honest we weren't good enough to be there anyway. Can't blame the Danes for feeling aggrieved,
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We have to get better ball players in the side. Our front players hardly had a kick as we couldn't get, keep the ball and pass it to them. Nobody was driving forward, causing the Italians problems.

We can keep on playing not to lose and with fear and thinking losing on penalties is some form of success, when in reality it isn't, or we can start building a side around creative talent, take a few hits but events have a side that can actually compete. I fear we'll carry on with the former which has been unsuccessful for 55 years.
 
I’ve forgotten about this already, any manager worth hi salt would look at the talent and we do have talent and build a team round it. A solid back 4 a holding DM and then let the talent loose, just look at what Pep has created and we do have players that could play that way but basically we reverted to Sam Allardyce tactics. We played only one semi decent team in Italy and they should’ve won before penalties. South American teams will just play round us next year, we ain’t getting anywhere near that final in Qatar unless there is a massive shift in how we build this team around Foden, Sancho, Grealis.
 
sir baconface said:
Agree. Promising but behind the other three at this stage. He looked totally lost last night. Such a needless shame such a young player was exposed to penalties.

Grealish and Foden were under-used in the tournament. Neither has truly established their England credentials yet, unfortunately, but could potentially star in the WC given the opportunity. It’s up to the manager to know everyone capabilities and nurture them accordingly.
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Maybe not, but can anybody honestly say that Saka should be ahead of Grealish and Foden? As you said, Saka looked lost last night and he looked terrified at the prospect of taking the penalty. I doubt either of the other two would have looked so out of place.
 
coolcity said:
Maybe not, but can anybody honestly say that Saka should be ahead of Grealish and Foden? As you said, Saka looked lost last night and he looked terrified at the prospect of taking the penalty. I doubt either of the other two would have looked so out of place.
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As already said, I’d put Grealish and Foden ahead of Saka. (By some margin.)
 
paulchapo said:
We have to get better ball players in the side. Our front players hardly had a kick as we couldn't get, keep the ball and pass it to them. Nobody was driving forward, causing the Italians problems.

We can keep on playing not to lose and with fear and thinking losing on penalties is some form of success, when in reality it isn't, or we can start building a side around creative talent, take a few hits but events have a side that can actually compete. I fear we'll carry on with the former which has been unsuccessful for 55 years.
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Yes, that's 90% of the problem in my opinion, we keep talking as though we might do well but it's going to be tough. We've almost scared our players half to death before they take the field. No lauding a team that had a chance of winning, just fear at the chance of losing. Denmark match summed it up for me when he took Grealish off and tried to defend against a team that hadn't laid a glove on us. Always the same, you can't beat a team just by defending and hoping something will turn up, at some point you have to score and to rely on penalties is in my opinion disgraceful if you're manager of the national team.
 
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FantasyIreland said:
Not remotely....just because someone isn't strong enough to lift a weight,doesnt necessarily mean they are weak.

As for the rest,we clearly have different standards/expectations.I can live with that.
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A serious question. Knowing Sterling's terrible record on penalties would you have been happy and confident seeing him about to take one last night?.....Or not knowing someone like Saka's penalty taking skills not be relieved it was him taking one? Easy to say Saka not taking one now he's missed, but Southgate thought he was good enough to be selected after watching him bang them in in training. Personally I never want to see Sterling placing the ball on the penalty spot for club or country ever again. He fetches other attributes to the team but penalty taking isn't one of them.
 
blueparrot said:
Talked to a few people today who asked me why he didn’t take one, they were quite happy when I explained he was about our 4 th choice taker and the 3 ahead were pretty shit at penalties. Can’t believe any City fan thought he should take one, I was releived he didn’t, can only imagine the abuse that would follow a Sterling missed penalty.
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I get your point, but to me that's not a good enough reason to put kids like Saka and Sancho ahead of him. There's no reason to believe that they would do any better, taking the occasion into consideration. You need the players that have the big match experience. You could virtually see Saka was going to miss before he took it.

Only consolation for me was I never got excited about the match in the first place. I knew we weren't going to win it.
 
paulchapo said:
A serious question. Knowing Sterling's terrible record on penalties would you have been happy and confident seeing him about to take one last night?.....Or not knowing someone like Saka's penalty taking skills not be relieved it was him taking one? Easy to say Saka not taking one now he's missed, but Southgate thought he was good enough to be selected after watching him bang them in in training. Personally I never want to see Sterling placing the ball on the penalty spot for club or country ever again. He fetches other attributes to the team but penalty taking isn't one of them.
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Agree re Sterling. The mistake re Saka appears to be confusing training ground conditions with the atmosphere of a high-stakes international cup final. And that after having a mare of a game.
 
paulchapo said:
A serious question. Knowing Sterling's terrible record on penalties would you have been happy and confident seeing him about to take one last night?.....Or not knowing someone like Saka's penalty taking skills not be relieved it was him taking one? Easy to say Saka not taking one now he's missed, but Southgate thought he was good enough to be selected after watching him bang them in in training. Personally I never want to see Sterling placing the ball on the penalty spot for club or country ever again. He fetches other attributes to the team but penalty taking isn't one of them.
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I've always been of the view that a top player is going to get it right at some point and I think he would have been less of a risk than Saka. Kane took one having missed his previous one, it was only luck the rebound came back to him in the semi. Those who want to slate Sterling are going to do it anyway. But that aside, I think there were a lot of players who should have been ahead of Saka.
 
coolcity said:
I get your point, but to me that's not a good enough reason to put kids like Saka and Sancho ahead of him. There's no reason to believe that they would do any better, taking the occasion into consideration. You need the players that have the big match experience. You could virtually see Saka was going to miss before he took it.

Only consolation for me was I never got excited about the match in the first place. I knew we weren't going to win it.
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No he shouldn’t have put ,Sako, and maybe Sancho, but I thought Sancho would score, ahead of him. Sterling still wouldn’t have made my 5 though, even without them 2.
 
kaz7 said:
It is all over the news , grealish has tweeted he wanted to but wasnt picked , southgate said he picked them, before backing up a troll listen/ watch, raz wasnt chosen therefore he had no choice
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I maintain what I said, just because you don't agree with his opinion doesn't make it trolling. I haven't seen or heard any news, just got back from the office and not been near a TV or radio all day.
 
Just do I understand where we are, Sterling is world class, Player of the Tournament, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ himself in some circles and can do no wrong, BUT it would be heresy to suggest he should be a big boy and step up for a free shot on goal from 12 yards out, with just the keeper to beat?

And people wonder why some of us decry the “awesomeness” of “our Raz”?!

Err, OK. Carry on.
 
sir baconface said:
Agree re Sterling. The mistake re Saka appears to be confusing training ground conditions with the atmosphere of a high-stakes international cup final. And that after having a mare of a game.
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The strongest players crumble at times under the weight of a high pressure penalty. A 19 year old kid sometimes can be cooler than an old head. It's a lottery but once chosen be most have said be was fine with it. The big problem is the abuse the morons give those who miss. Stop that and players will relax more and probably score more too.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Just do I understand where we are, Sterling is world class, Player of the Tournament, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ himself in some circles and can do no wrong, BUT it would be heresy to suggest he should be a big boy and step up for a free shot on goal from 12 yards out, with just the keeper to beat?

And people wonder why some of us decry the “awesomeness” of “our Raz”?!

Err, OK. Carry on.
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He wasn’t asked to take one. Neither was grealish. Or Henderson, stones etc. Southgate had decided before he made those two ludicrous subs at the end. So why you’re attacking one of our own players over something he had no control over escapes me
 
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