Italy v England | Euro 2020 Final

What will the result be?

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sir baconface said:
I’d just love to have seen him play more. His international emergence was one of my big hopes. However, the reality mirrors his development under Pep up to a year ago. As with Pep, Southgate won’t give him a regular opportunity until he’s staked an indisputable claim in the few games he plays.

So far he simply hasn’t done that. He’s just one of the pack in England’s deck of cards. So, in the meantime, he dines on crumbs.

In my view he’s potentially the best of the competing bunch. Up to now, though, has yet to show that in an England shirt. Decent performances but nothing at all outstanding.
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I agree, but I still don't rate Saka ahead of him and for me Sancho hasn't done much either. Let's be honest, even Kane was a disappointment for most of the tourny. Would Foden have been that ineffective over as many games?
 
kaz7 said:
Me too , they have issues
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No one is slagging any of the penalty takers off on here as far as I can see, they did not miss on purpose ffs. I just cannot see Waistcoat saying to the squad, right you 5 are taking them end of story and if he did why Kane first under no pressure and poor Saka the vital kick the manager is a fuckwit
 
metalblue said:
What I don’t understand is why Sterling didn’t run forward and barge Saka out of the way and take it. Shows a complete lack of moral fibre.
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Fantasy implied the same thing. He wasn't joking :)

Sterling should have took the initiative and demanded he was going to be the 2nd taker,that is the level he is at and its something fans expected to see.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Hands up all those who had Maguire on their list of penalty takers!

Seeing none…

Hands up all those people who believe they saw a better penalty than that taken by Maguire in a Euro Final Penalty Shoot Out.

Seeing none…

Hands up all those who believe THE MANAGER should TELL players they’re taking a penalty, not the PLAYER volunteer to be one of the first 5 penalty takers.

Seeing none…

WTF was Southgate thinking?
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blame Raz for Southgate's thinking . you usually do. pathetic .
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I fancy Raheem didn't want one, knowing that were he to have missed he would have copped for more internet shite from the morons than he has so far!
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I fancy that to. I dare say in his head he would have already have missed it…guess what the outcome would have be.

Southgate should have put his boots on and sort redemption
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I fancy Raheem didn't want one, knowing that were he to have missed he would have copped for more internet shite from the morons than he has so far!
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He didn’t take one because he’s abysmal at them. He wouldn’t have given a shit of any backlash, watch his interviews during the tournament which shows you that. He simply isn’t a good penalty taker.
 
Nellies left peg said:
No one is slagging any of the penalty takers off on here as far as I can see, they did not miss on purpose ffs. I just cannot see Waistcoat saying to the squad, right you 5 are taking them end of story and if he did why Kane first under no pressure and poor Saka the vital kick the manager is a fuckwit
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He is indeed a fuckwit but that is not razs fault , he cant step up if the manager picks someone else , i felt putting saka on pens was setting him up for a fall , shame for the kid
 
coolcity said:
I get your point, but to me that's not a good enough reason to put kids like Saka and Sancho ahead of him. There's no reason to believe that they would do any better, taking the occasion into consideration. You need the players that have the big match experience. You could virtually see Saka was going to miss before he took it.

Only consolation for me was I never got excited about the match in the first place. I knew we weren't going to win it.
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Sancho has scored 5/5 pens
Sako had never taken one so seems a strange choice but presumably in training he must have been knocking them in.
 
paulchapo said:
Maguire scored his penalty. The manager based his decision on seeing the players first hand, talking to them and assessing their mental strength and skill to do so, something he is privy too and we're not. You can guarantee that not one player took one against his will. Now why don't you give it up, you're fucking boring.
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I wouldn't be surprised when we hear that the England players practised and practised that those who didn't score last night hadn't missed a single one in the practices.
 
Nellies left peg said:
No one is slagging any of the penalty takers off on here as far as I can see, they did not miss on purpose ffs. I just cannot see Waistcoat saying to the squad, right you 5 are taking them end of story and if he did why Kane first under no pressure and poor Saka the vital kick the manager is a fuckwit
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But your point sort of falls apart when southgate was desperate to get two players on with seconds to go ! Those two took penalties and the only reason they were sub'd on.
 
Bluesince88 said:
He didn’t take one because he’s abysmal at them. He wouldn’t have given a shit of any backlash, watch his interviews during the tournament which shows you that. He simply isn’t a good penalty taker.
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Didn't he win us a Carabao Cup with a 'top bins' pen? It is obvious from where a goalkeeper cannot make a save from a pen. Setting last night aside, I can't really see how professionals can put the ball in the same 'safe' place every time. I suppose the occasion gets to the space between their ears.
 
kalouk said:
I don't see how people can place blame for the penalties on anyone else but Southgate. It was obviously planned for weeks and to accuse others of not having the balls to take one is wrong but the narrative has already been set so a way has been found to blame Sterling.

Southgate had chances to make sure Saka wasn't put in that situation
1. Take him off for Rashford/Sancho and leave Henderson/Walker on
2. Grealish had offered to take one so he could have replaced Saka
3. Simply tell him NO
Finally its only my opinion but I don't believe for one minute that if it wasn't arranged that Shaw/Sterling/Grealish etc and if he had left them on you can add Walker/Henderson any of them would of taken one instead of him if Saka was unsure.
It was a poor decision because as others have said you cannot replicate the pressure and to give him the fifth pen makes it worse imo.
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Agreed. No-one that I know of has mentioned this, but if Sterling is considered such a bad risk by their management why leave him on and take Henderson/Walker off?
 
paulchapo said:
Me neither, the best players in the world have all done the same, it is what it is.
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Exactly, I don't understand why this is all about penalties. We had 120 minutes of football before it even came to that. It was clear after 45 of them that we'd lost control of the match, subs should have been made then, not saved until 119 minutes.
 
sir baconface said:
IMO we have, in Southgate, an honest and grounded man who studies the game diligently, manages people well, understands PR, lives the values, shows leadership against racism, plans thoughtfully and, more often than not, organises teams well.

What we don’t have is a flair manager who could manage a PL side to multiple silverware.

If that were him, he wouldn‘t be doing the England job. He’s good but only up to a point.
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Didn't he get relegated with Middleboro before he got the England job? I think the trouble is he does all the other things well, the PR and stuff, but not the coaching side. I can't think of too many international managers with so little managerial experience.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Didn't he win us a Carabao Cup with a 'top bins' pen? It is obvious from where a goalkeeper cannot make a save from a pen. Setting last night aside, I can't really see how professionals can put the ball in the same 'safe' place every time. I suppose the occasion gets to the space between their ears.
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Don’t think he did, top binned one at Watford which was great. He’s also tried to dink one and fluffed it, missed one at wolves, got the chance to retake and missed it again. His record is poor and will be why Southgate wouldn’t have had him in the top 5.

just checked and says he scored one so you’re right. His penalties since then have been poor and maybe the reason behind not being included
 
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