CFG | Academy | EDS in & out season 2021/22

urban genie said:
Interesting we have switched to this topic the Athletic have an article out at thus moment on the subject




Honestly though I could live with a season or two finishing say 3rd and trophyless if the year after we won the league and got to cup finals with a team that had 4-5 home grown and preferably mancunian or from gtr manc players in it.
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Thats pretty impressive....amazing the lack of responses to the tweet though!!
 
twosips said:
I think the frustration for some is that many probably are actually good enough if given a chance. Whether that should happen or not is a different debate, but it's a fair point. Our academy sides are battering everyone so clearly elite in terms of youth success. They're the cream of the crop.

We're currently chasing a Villa product who wasn't exactly Phil Foden at the same age. Kane wasn't even a superstar dead cert either. The clubs that we're signing these players from aren't just better at producing talented young players. They're often not. The difference is that they gave them a chance. Some people want us to do the same. I don't think that's unreasonable and it definitely is a bit unfair when people just presume that any player we move on was just not good enough. It's a bit of a simplification.
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While all that's true Villa for example could give Grealish time, mainly in the championship, he wasn't keeping a De Bruyne or Siva, Aguero on the bench while he got game time. I think it's an issue for us and a couple of clubs.The loan system doesn't seem to work that well for development either. . Thought the selling with buy backs might be a better way, doesn't seem to have paid of yet though. Foden seems an exception, a talent that stays and makes his way into the team.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
What, he opened it just to produce Foden? : /
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The academy is built as extra revenue to help the clubs finances. If we produced a Phil Foden then that’s the cherry on the top!

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Kippax. said:
It’s a cash cow to develop and move on. It’s business.
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Well it should be both. It should be producing a handful of talented players to fill out our squad and then selling the ones who aren’t going to make it here.
 
People tend to get too emotionally involved when it comes to the youth side of things.
In a perfect world the squad would be made up of at least half a dozen young Mancunians who have supported City all their lives but the reality is very different and rightly so.
Pep doesn't play too many kids, not just because he doesn't trust them or have faith in them, but because they aren't ready and the players they would be replacing are usually at the very top of their game.
He isn't at the helm to bring through tomorrows stars, he's there to make sure we stay at the top of the pile in the here and now.
 
Say what you want but I can't help but feel a bit depressed every time someone talks about our academy as a shop window.

Fair enough, that's business but that's not exactly what I started following the club for. Giving someone like Liam Delap chances when both senior strikers were injured last season wasn't exactly going to hurt their pockets either.

Our integration of academy players has been shite and that's mostly because we can cram every corner of the squad with a £40-50m player.

It is what it is, I guess, but I find it weird when people say things along the lines of "we're selling them for a profit so the academy is doing it's job."

Where's the entertainment in that?
 
rowarta said:
not sure his throw in's are that good.
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Apparently they are, he got told to stop taking them in academy games because it was taking the piss and also with his height he was more of a threat getting on the end of them rather than throwing it.

The academy argument is pretty clear for me, we provide world class training facilities for youth players with the aim they will go into the first team. 99.9% wont be good enough. Talk of sacrificing a few years of not winning anything to integrate youth players is a load of shite and best left to the likes of Arsenal etc. We aren't a charity, if you are good enough (Foden) you get a chance, if you are not and you impress out on loan then you get sold. Cut throat business but its the best model.
 
Kippax. said:
The academy is built as extra revenue to help the clubs finances. If we produced a Phil Foden then that’s the cherry on the top!

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Phil Foden is indeed the cherry but we have no cake because other clubs have a as slice of it! The academy was set up to produce our own players, not to make a profit by supplying other clubs.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Say what you want but I can't help but feel a bit depressed every time someone talks about our academy as a shop window.

Fair enough, that's business but that's not exactly what I started following the club for. Giving someone like Liam Delap chances when both senior strikers were injured last season wasn't exactly going to hurt their pockets either.

Our integration of academy players has been shite and that's mostly because we can cram every corner of the squad with a £40-50m player.

It is what it is, I guess, but I find it weird when people say things along the lines of "we're selling them for a profit so the academy is doing it's job."

Where's the entertainment in that?
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Agree but unfortunately football is a business now whether you or I like it.
 
Kippax. said:
The academy is built as extra revenue to help the clubs finances. If we produced a Phil Foden then that’s the cherry on the top!

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My only criticism on the academy is that if the goal is to make money I'm pretty sure we'd make more of it if we gave more prospects a shot to look good playing in the first team. We've have plenty who, compared to Kelechi, were as talented or more talented yet he's the top sale because he got games. And who knows, sometimes guys will surprise you and stick around.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Phil Foden is indeed the cherry but we have no cake because other clubs have a as slice of it! The academy was set up to produce our own players, not to make a profit by supplying other clubs.
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It really was the entire opposite, set up to profit indeed. We've just lucked out with Foden and are starting to see more quality
 
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