US Politics Thread

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journolud said:
Using words I never said to suggest I believe things I don’t believe rather than responding to the point. That’s pretty offensive
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I was juxtaposing you and your beliefs against theirs and only you will know if you agree with them or not.

You can be offended all you like if your post was your take away from my response.
 
west didsblue said:
The Biden thread was originally started because Bigga refused to discuss Trump in the Trump thread and would just go on about Biden. For him to complain about others mentioning Trump in this thread (which is hardly surprising as it is a thread about US politics in general and he is still the de facto leader of the GOP) is the height of hypocrisy and clear evidence of his lack of self awareness.
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Ironically, it was me who started mentioning Biden in the Trump thread. He was being used as a barometer, so I set the record straight with measuring things the other way.

But, you believe what you want to, sweetie.
 
Bigga said:
Type in the word in search and see who has levelled it at me.

As for posting videos about 'grifters', are you accusing Nina Turner, Bernie Sanders, Tim Black, Jimmy Dore, Russell Brand, Robert Wolff, Dr Cornell West, Joe Rogan and whomever as 'grifters'??

Rogan, who hates Trump and calls him 'dangerous'? Wolff who sets out the economic problems with capitalism? Turner, Dore, Sanders, Dr West, Black whom all advocate for M4A are all grifters?

I'm just not sure any of you know what the word means.
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Yes to these. No to the others, I haven't got the time to look up all those people and go back through all your posts and watch videos you posted. Probably not.
 
Bigga said:
I was juxtaposing you and your beliefs against theirs and only you will know if you agree with them or not.

You can be offended all you like if your post was your take away from my response.
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No you were making assumptions about my beliefs, and theirs. If you think I believe the things you suggest then that’s up to you
 
west didsblue said:
The Biden thread was originally started because Bigga refused to discuss Trump in the Trump thread and would just go on about Biden. For him to complain about others mentioning Trump in this thread (which is hardly surprising as it is a thread about US politics in general and he is still the de facto leader of the GOP) is the height of hypocrisy and clear evidence of his lack of self awareness.
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On the other hand, is it really hypocrisy if you post and act like a stupid whiny moaning pissant wimp dickhead ALL the time?
 
I think this thread demonstrates what happens when arguing overtakes arguments. It's worth precisely nothing but i have sympathy with lots of the arguments posited by both sides and summarise as such incrementalism takes too long; your starting position is important but actions are more useful than words; Trump is a useful idiot for those wishing to both blame others and excuse themselves.
 
mrbelfry said:
I think this thread demonstrates what happens when arguing overtakes arguments. It's worth precisely nothing but i have sympathy with lots of the arguments posited by both sides and summarise as such incrementalism takes too long; your starting position is important but actions are more useful than words; Trump is a useful idiot for those wishing to both blame others and excuse themselves.
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None of those are arguments. They are conclusions. I think this thread demonstrates that when you start with conclusions, there will be arguing not arguments.

And of course it’s worth something! All perspectives are. But the value of those change over time too I think.
 
Sometimes language is imprecise, has nuance or is misunderstood so maybe my post didn't convey what i meant. Most arguments though are made with a conclusion baked in which is why it takes a certain humility to change a position. If you're not convinced of the truth of your argument why make it?
 
mrbelfry said:
Sometimes language is imprecise, has nuance or is misunderstood so maybe my post didn't convey what i meant. Most arguments though are made with a conclusion baked in which is why it takes a certain humility to change a position. If you're not convinced of the truth of your argument why make it?
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Well, my review of arguments suggest incrementalism takes more time to affect change and sometimes (maybe often) doesn’t affect any, so maybe that’s the same as taking too long, but that Trump is much more (and less) than a useful idiot, and for many more than those looking to excuse themselves or blame others. I don’t think anyone would disagree that actions speak louder than words! However, speaking words is in and of itself in this media distribution channel, an action. All we really have are words here, unless you’ve spent time with a poster IRL. Your words are your actions.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Yes to these. No to the others, I haven't got the time to look up all those people and go back through all your posts and watch videos you posted. Probably not.
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No, you "haven't got the time" to search the word "grift/ grifter" and yet you post on BM all the time. 2 - 5 mins out of your extremely busy schedule.

You're a blast!
 
Bigga said:
No, you "haven't got the time" to search the word "grift/ grifter" and yet you post on BM all the time. 2 - 5 mins out of your extremely busy schedule.

You're a blast!
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No I haven't got the time or inclination to search through your posts and read up about every personality that you have posted a YouTube video where they are speaking.

As I said you couldn't be a grifter yourself because you can't monetise BM posts I think I know what a grifter is. But carry on contructing strawman arguments.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
No I haven't got the time or inclination to search through your posts and read up about every personality that you have posted a YouTube video where they are speaking.

As I said you couldn't be a grifter yourself because you can't monetise BM posts I think I know what a grifter is. But carry on contructing strawman arguments.
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Let me remind of you of what you asked:
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Who has actually called you a grifter?
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To which I said you could search that and you say I'm "constructing strawman arguments".

You're right though, you "don't have time" to look up your own post.

I'm bored of the position you take when you show up your own argument with the 'gotcha' on yourself.

Move on.
 
Bigga said:
Let me remind of you of what you asked:


To which I said you could search that and you say I'm "constructing strawman arguments".

You're right though, you "don't have time" to look up your own post.

I'm bored of the position you take when you show up your own argument with the 'gotcha' on yourself.

Move on.
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Yeah it's simple question with a simple answer. If someone has actually called you a grifter then you obviously remember.

I searched Grifter and Bigga and got 5 results. More than half of the posts were mine and I know I haven't called you a grifter.

21 pages for grifter alone. I'm not wasting time scrolling through all those.

You can either name names or shut up. I'm not gonna indulge you in wasting my time for your own amusement.
 
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