CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

For over a century the bakers, butchers and candlesticks makers owned football clubs, then along came the football pool owners, on the continent there were state sponsored and supported clubs, money was pumped in ensure success. There was never any mention of buying success, no rules put in place to ensure financial fair play? What other industry prevents owners putting money into their business Let’s have proper FFP and a level playing field where all revenue is put into a pot and shared equally amoungst the football pyramid then it really is fair.
City are accused by some of cheating how did they cheat? Catching up on years of lack of investment so that they could compete in a fair way with the “big 4” Was it not cheating when the cosy big 4, season after season enjoyed the fruits of their almost guaranteed UCL qualification forming a cartel of clubs? Fuck em all and the parasite media with their agenda what have they ever produced that is useful?
 
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One of the problems with a lot of these journalists, including Tony Evans, is that they seem unable to get their heads round the fact that it's quite possible for City to take money from publicly-owned Abu Dhabi companies and remain within the FFP rules. And, despite claims of a "smoking gun" proving the club to be in breach of the rules, there's no such thing. There's lots of evidence that we were seeking to circumvent rules, but that's a different matter. Every day all around the globe, perfectly reputable companies look for ways to pursue their business objectives in ways that don't breach the letter of inconvenient regulatory regimes.

City have done a number of things to this end that our critics disapprove of, as they're perfectly entitled to. We tried to play fast and loose with the concept of related-party transactions and attempted dodges with regard to image rights, for instance. However, those matters were dealt with in the settlement agreement back in 2014. And while some might view our receiving money from state companies in the UAE as breaching the spirit of the rules, this is a bullshit concept that counts for sweet fuck all in the real world. If UEFA or the PL want their rules to ban that kind of sponsorship, draft them so that they expressly say that. Otherwise, we're entitled to find whatever workarounds the current text of the rules allows.

So far, we can ascertain from the CAS hearing that our accounting records indicate we've done so successfully. No material in the public domain, including the latest Nick Harris damp squib, actually contradicts that. No information available at present indicates a sensible basis for us to be charged, but we're subjected to a febrile and hysterical media debate that pays no regard to normal standards of evidence or proof. With rival clubs no doubt egging the investigators on in the background, the biggest threat City have to deal with is the potential reluctance of the PL to drop the case for PR reasons.

In other words, there's a risk that the PL will act not on the basis of a rational analysis of the totality of the case, but instead out of a fear of attracting specious criticism for "letting City get away with it". The sad thing from our point of view is that any such criticism would come from people who have no more understanding of the processes and issues involved than they have of the intricacies of brain surgery - and that includes Nick Harris. If (quite a big 'if', regrettably) the PL has integrity and balls, our enemies won't be allowed to prevail.

EDIT - Just to add: City didn't accept that the matters covered in the settlement agreement constituted breaches of the rules. Most of what we tried to do was via methods commonly used in international non-football businesses, often within international groups of companies (and we're part of one). Had these issues been litigated and not settled, it's perfectly feasible that we could have prevailed.
Everton FC are sponsored by the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. He received some attention when he was trying to buy Arsenal but now he media are not interested. It seems the only club whose finances deserve scrutiny are Manchester City. If the media wants to hold power and authority to account, fair enough but all I see is a completely one-sided approach that is all down to selling 'news' to Manchester United and Liverpool supporters.

I am no really too enamoured by our owner and what he stands for but I really can't distinguish him from the other oligarchs that own and run English football. The press are dishonest and unprincipled because they are very selective as to their targets
 
So it seems that the Premier League are flogging a dead horse with this latest "investigation"? They can't be hoping to find something because fishing expeditions are not allowed, even if the believe a whopper is lurking at the bottom? So why are they persisting?
I think that's why the prem league sided with us to keep it out of the public domain. I think they know there is fuck all to see and have hoped it to go quietly and say end of investigation
Now it's been made public I think the prem league are looking at every option available to them including pinto so they don't look like a tin pot outfit
 
Everton FC are sponsored by the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. He received some attention when he was trying to buy Arsenal but now he media are not interested.
Good point Marvin. More than being their sponsor, Usmanov appears to be their owner in all but name. Have the PL investigated or asked Everton to hand over documents to clarify this?

If they did, I'm sure they'd oblige willingly. We know how keen Everton are on full disclosure after all.
 
I think that's why the prem league sided with us to keep it out of the public domain. I think they know there is fuck all to see and have hoped it to go quietly and say end of investigation
Now it's been made public I think the prem league are looking at every option available to them including pinto so they don't look like a tin pot outfit
Thanks. So you think the Premier League might just be trying to save face and want to appear to be taking it seriously to placate the red shirts? I hope you are right and there is not a hidden whopper.

It's all a waste of time and money. Lawyers, accounts, judges, journalists ....all arsing about and producing nothing tangible of benefit to anybody.
 
Juventus shirt sponsorship with Jeep, which increased from €17m to €42m in 2019/20– even though the original deal still had two years to run. Jeep is part of Fiat, which is owned by the Agnelli Family.

Juventus owners..... the Agnelli Family.

That’s primarily why they signed Ronaldo - the spotlight it put on them allowed them then justify funneling more FIAT money into the club.
 
Everton FC are sponsored by the Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov. He received some attention when he was trying to buy Arsenal but now he media are not interested. It seems the only club whose finances deserve scrutiny are Manchester City. If the media wants to hold power and authority to account, fair enough but all I see is a completely one-sided approach that is all down to selling 'news' to Manchester United and Liverpool supporters.

I am no really too enamoured by our owner and what he stands for but I really can't distinguish him from the other oligarchs that own and run English football. The press are dishonest and unprincipled because they are very selective as to their targets
Ffs, you're not "enamoured" by our owner, don't shit on your own doorstep.
 
Thanks. So you think the Premier League might just be trying to save face and want to appear to be taking it seriously to placate the red shirts? I hope you are right and there is not a hidden whopper.

It's all a waste of time and money. Lawyers, accounts, judges, journalists ....all arsing about and producing nothing tangible of benefit to anybody.
Thats what I think. But I don't have any knowledge whatsoever on all this legal stuff goes completely above my head
Why have a investigation open for 2 years and do absolutely nothing about it knowing uefa has been kicked out of cas ?
 
Thats what I think. But I don't have any knowledge whatsoever on all this legal stuff goes completely above my head
Why have a investigation open for 2 years and do absolutely nothing about it knowing uefa has been kicked out of cas ?
Maybe because we’re about to really start spending and they’re shitting it. maybe they’ve heard little Lionel is on his way and they’re absolutely fuckin shitting it! ;)
 
This is the salient point. Even if Etihad was a related party, the sponsorship was deemed fair value, even by UEFA. And Etihad got fair value back, in terms of the commercial value they got from that sponsorship. Even if ADUG had put in all that money, it's within the FFP rules.

And if it's not a related party, then as long as the money doesnt originate from ADUG (which it didn't) it's fine.

The podcast I listen to that I believe you where on you said you disagreed with some other expert in regards to Etihad I think you said it doesn’t matter if it game from ADUG this other expert disagreed can you explain more please thanks
 
The podcast I listen to that I believe you where on you said you disagreed with some other expert in regards to Etihad I think you said it doesn’t matter if it game from ADUG this other expert disagreed can you explain more please thanks
I expect the answer in the DM tomorrow.
 
Sorry but it's not true.

We have major PR issues, most UK, Spanish, Italians and Germans consider us to be cheats, via a vile press and media campaign which is clearly backed by "historical clubs with 'istory".

If you think it does not effect our standing in terms of sponsorship, I think you are simply wrong, it does.

What major International company would want to put hundreds of millions of pounds into a organisation that is considered "dodgy and has falsified its accounts" whoever false it has proved to be.

With the achievements of the club on and off the field, we should have sponsors knocking the door down to be involved with us.

Until the club stops these slurs, they will continue.

If we have nothing to hide and I believe we don't, then lets see some action from our club and owner.

Silverlake didn’t seem to mind.
 
Sometimes, after reading all this stuff, and all the political arguments, cheating allegations, hatred between fans, reporters out to damage reputations, biased pundits/press, backhanders, corruption by FIFA, agents and players earning millions each month, some for not even playing...

I wonder if it's all worth it.

I could just go fishing.
 
Sometimes, after reading all this stuff, and all the political arguments, cheating allegations, hatred between fans, reporters out to damage reputations, biased pundits/press, backhanders, corruption by FIFA, agents and players earning millions each month, some for not even playing...

I wonder if it's all worth it.

I could just go fishing.
But if you did just go fishing the liars would win. The harder road is tougher to ride out but if you stick to it the ride is often worth it. These media tossers are not going to fight City’s battles but we know who they are and their angles we just need to keep rehashing what we know too. A philosophical way to look at it is that these tossers are trying to remain relevant and earn their living through this bias however unpalatable that is to us, they just don’t have another story to fall on for mass racist appeal.
 
Can anyone give me a brief update on this? Ie. Is it likely to amount to anything??? What was Pedro Porro talking about when he said 'something big is going to happen next week." He sounded very bitter and as if hape knew something. Could be completely unrelated if course.
 
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The podcast I listen to that I believe you where on you said you disagreed with some other expert in regards to Etihad I think you said it doesn’t matter if it game from ADUG this other expert disagreed can you explain more please thanks
I'll try. Under FFP, an owner can put in funds to cover a small amount of losses or they can put in funds via sponsorships.

Sheikh Mansour could put a billion pounds in our bank account but we can only spend that money in line with our revenue, and that billion pounds isn't classed as revenue as it goes on our balance sheet. However ADUG could sponsor us for a billion pounds, and that would be revenue, as it would appear on the Profit and Loss account.

FFP seeks to stop this and says that any entity defined as a related party (which is an established accounting concept) can only introduce sponsorship revenue if that contract represents fair market value. That means if it's what an unrelated third party would pay. The going rate for shirt sponsorships is now probably around £40-45m for clubs in our position so if ADUG sponsored us for £100m, that wouldn't be regarded as fair market value. Or if it paid us that for a full page advert in the programme.

To be precise, they could do that (sponsor our shirt for £100m a year) but we'd have to disregard a lot of that for FFP purposes. UEFA might only allow us to recognise £45m of that £100m as revenue, although it'd still be sat in our bank account. That happened with PSG and Qatar, where they had to disregard most of the €200m that Qatar put in as sponsorship.

If, however, the entity sponsoring us isn't classed as a related party, there is no concept of fair market value and they can pay us whatever they like. City (and our auditors) do not regard Etihad as a related party and, even if it was, the sponsorship was generally regarded (by UEFA and CAS) as representing fair value. But there's more.

The whole point of UEFA's charges, and the CAS case, was that Etihad was only paying a small part of their sponsorship and that the bulk of the money was coming from someone else. UEFA (or the CFCB to be precise) felt it was ADUG, whereas the CAS hearing showed it came from central funds supplied by the Executive Affairs Authority to Etihad (which I'd discovered some years ago). EAA isn't a related party to City so in that case, it didn't matter where Etihad got their money from. They paid us a certain amount and they got commercial exposure commensurate with what they paid.

If, on the other hand, CAS had found that ADUG had routed money into City via Etihad, it's 99% certain we would have been found to have contravened FFP and the ban would almost certainly have been upheld. Stefan, for all the brilliant work he's done on the legal side of this, is wrong to say that it didn't matter where those additional funds came from. It was quite simply the core issue at the heart of the CFCB's charges and the CAS hearing.

It mattered very much in fact. ADUG = ban, not ADUG = no ban.
 
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=Here is a few for you, looks to be roughly a few billion worth there.

Stop talking shite. If it was a problem the club would sort it.

Taking no mark reporters to court gives more fuel to the fire. Imagine the tweets from Nick Harris then.

"OIL RICH CITY CONDEMN FREE PRESS" "ABU DHABI STAMPS DOWN ON REPORTERS" "PEP GIVES THE GO AHEAD ON NEWS BLACKOUT".
“SOMEONE FROM CITY GAVE ME A RIGHT GOOD TWATTING” if Carlsberg did headlines .
 
Yep. The scousers mudered Italians. The Italians match fixed over a long period. Real Madrid were Franco the murderers team. They don’t seem to struggle for sponsors.
Are they getting hundreds of negative stories written about them each year?
 

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