CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

projectriver said:
This is really dull and I can't really be bothered to get back into it but...

Firstly, my statement was a specific point not in the context you describe in your longer summary and pre-dated the actual CAS judgment.

But simply because ADUG funded Etihad to settle one of its contractual obligations does not mean it is automatically disguised equity investment any more than the same transaction of EAA --> Etihad --> City would (or wouldn't). It depends on the FACTS and EVIDENCE. This was not tested at CAS.

If ADUG put Etihad in funds with the requisite legal docs and creation of a debt or issue of shares to ADUG and Etihad go off and use those funds as it sees fit, it does not automatically make what they do with the cash "disguised." If however there is evidence it is a sham to disguise equity investment in City, then yes they risk being in breach. But the same applies to a flow from EAA --> Etihad --> City. It is case and fact specific. This is how the law works, you have to evidence the breach. I can't see (but you may be able to) where CAS accepted EAA funded the "Etihad central funds." It is not the case that ADUG = bad and EAA = everything is fine.

CAS was never asked to consider EAA or whether EAA had put the "Etihad central funds" in funds and it made no finding on this. CAS did definitively say none of ADUG or Etihad were related so presumably neither would EAA have been.

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So we don't know, as you assert, that if CAS found ADUG --> Etihad --> City, they would have 99% found in favour of UEFA. It is possible but likewise possible they would have concluded there was insufficient support factually of that intent. The idea they were saved because CAS were sure the funds came from EAA is just not right.

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I was about to reply with exactly the same message but you beat me to it
 
Bottom line, simple terms, should any City fan be concerned about a PL case against the club?
 
oldius said:
Bottom line, simple terms, should any City fan be concerned about a PL case against the club?
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Yes, but not necessarily because of the merits (or lack thereof) of the PL’s arguments - not that we actually know what they are yet, albeit that we can surmise - but because they’re being browbeaten by 19 sets of bitter cnuts, and 2 gigantic red cnuts in particular, and pressurised by an army of media morons who’ve already decided our guilt to the point that I get grief off Palace and Brighton fans for “cheating” where I live, never mind the usual glut of gormless Southern rags and dippers.
 
Marvin said:
It's not ignorance. it's smear. There is no value in arguing with these people. Their aim is merely to throw mud. You want to sling mud with them, go ahead. It's not an argument you can win, because it's enough for them that there is mud flying.
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Exactly this, a tactic used extensively in politics and business.

That's why I believe has to change tactics and fight back, otherwise will this smear campaign ever stop.
 
leo_citeh said:
I took the risk to hear out ~expert~ Duncan Castles on the matter. Aside the fact that I chuckled throughout the talk and him being mostly clueless, it's appalling how there are journos purposefully misguiding the audience. Not new but, still.

There was an ending bit where he said, if City were to be found guilty there could be 3 punishments handed out.
1. Transfer ban
2. Playing behind closed doors
3. Points deduction

Least to say how crestfallen he sounded listing these out, because even the self proclaimed doctor knows there is very little substance to all he talked about in the minutes prior. You do love some self realisation!
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I'm not going to go and listen to that egg in a bun but he might actually be (part) right, albeit accidentally, about those being the three possible punishments. Stefan made reference to this on the 93:20 pod - the Premier League has no established disciplinary or arbitration structure for dealing with...whatever it is City are supposed to have done.

If I understand it right, City are going through the same procedure as if they had failed to failed to fulfil a fixture (e.g. 'Boro when they had the flu), brought the game into disrepute in some way (pizzagate), that kind of thing, and playing behind closed doors / points deductions absolutely are the punishments that would be on the table in that case. Not sure about transfer ban, that seems spurious.

Appreciate all of this very much falls into the category of "so what".
 
JASR said:
It's on the Mirror's website at least. Seems to be an ongoing investigation. Headline also includes Newcastle, and mentions IIRC "23 other clubs"
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Clubs and players all involved.
As you say, you would expect the football finance and ethics mob in the WhatsApp group would be all over such a major story. But for some reason Conn, Panja, Smith, Castles, the various Harris cunts, Delaney etc aren’t interested
 
JASR said:
It's on the Mirror's website at least. Seems to be an ongoing investigation. Headline also includes Newcastle, and mentions IIRC "23 other clubs"
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Well I think it’s a well known fact why the rags are registered in the Cayman Islands and there is allegedly other £500m debt on top of their current through the books debts?!
 
JASR said:
It's on the Mirror's website at least. Seems to be an ongoing investigation. Headline also includes Newcastle, and mentions IIRC "23 other clubs"
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Ongoing since 2015. BBC article here from last year:
HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) is investigating the tax affairs of 330 footballers, 55 clubs and 80 agents, up from 173 players, 40 clubs and 38 agents in January 2019.

www.bbc.co.uk

HMRC investigations into footballer tax affairs reaches record level

A record number of footballers, clubs and agents in England are being investigated over tax payments.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The Mirror article is just an update and details here:HMRC had collected £463.9m "by tackling non-compliance in the football industry" since 2015, largely by reaching settlements on allegedly unpaid taxes.

https://www.internationalinvestment...le-hmrc-tax-probe-nets-gbp464m-football-world
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Ongoing since 2015. BBC article here from last year:
HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) is investigating the tax affairs of 330 footballers, 55 clubs and 80 agents, up from 173 players, 40 clubs and 38 agents in January 2019.

www.bbc.co.uk

HMRC investigations into footballer tax affairs reaches record level

A record number of footballers, clubs and agents in England are being investigated over tax payments.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The Mirror article is just an update and details here:HMRC had collected £463.9m "by tackling non-compliance in the football industry" since 2015, largely by reaching settlements on allegedly unpaid taxes.

https://www.internationalinvestment...le-hmrc-tax-probe-nets-gbp464m-football-world
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Well clearly United, as they've been mentioned, are obviously guilty, and deserve a points reduction, relegation, stripping of trophies won in that period, a transfer ban, the birch and the taking down of the scaffold.

I think that's what is required in these circumstances, if we follow the usual journalists rhetoric for City...
 
JASR said:
Well clearly United, as they've been mentioned, are obviously guilty, and deserve a points reduction, relegation, stripping of trophies won in that period, a transfer ban, the birch and the taking down of the scaffold.

I think that's what is required in these circumstances, if we follow the usual journalists rhetoric for City...
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Obviously an owner putting his own money into a club is worthy of a lot more investigation than an organisation or individual not fulfilling their duty to pay tax.
 
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