Climate Change is here and man made

[Kirkstall Blue]

At the end of the 1960’s/70’s there were dire warnings that we are heading for another Ice age. Did they get it wrong? because we never seem to hear about an ice age now.

The Jet stream moving further south is another worry the results would be Britain cooling down not warming up

We have destroyed the planet and we should do everything we can to stop the rot and on a personal level I’m trying

 

[SWP's back]

Careful Gotdon, the lefties won't like that. They won't like it one bit.

Fuck all to do with being left or right chippy but at least now we know why you think you have to be so vocal whilst proving you know fuck all of what you’re talking about. You think this is a political issue and it’s politics at play rather than science. I’m to the right of you politically but that doesn’t mean I hate my children or grandchildren.

You should have said so earlier so we could have all ignored your rambling arsewater. Ps even fucking Boris agrees with the 90% on this thread that understand we’ve got a huge bloody issue facing us.

 

[mancity1]

Nah just a load of absolute horse shit hes been spouting all day.

Truth hurts sometimes bazz I can understand your resentment.

 

[Bill Walker]

Let's be honest, capitalism isn't the only economic system that's contributed to climate change. Communism was just as bad too, with no commerical pressure to modernise old, inefficient methods of production.

The problem we - well, our children have - is how can you stop and start trying to reverse decades and maybe centuries of damage? At this moment, it seems absolutely impossible that we won't still be producing huge amounts of CO2 in the next 20 years, despite knowing the dangers.

The idea that seas could rise by a metre, no ice in the Arctic, the changing of jetstreams, the changing of sea currents - these are changes on a planetary scale that can't be fixed, or changed quickly or easily. And we still don't fully understand them, or the effects on the rest of the living animals that depend on these systems. We should be everything we possibly can to avoid finding out what the effects would be.

Of course, it's not just climate change though. It's mankinds disregard for the environment and every living thing on the planet. Whether it's cows, chickens, pigs, rainforests, fish, coral reefs, rivers, the air - everything is taken as something to be exploited or abused. When you see packets of ham in the supermarket with bears faces on - that's a sentient, living animal that was reared in captivity, lived an appalling life then killed just in case you wanted to make a 'funny' ham butty. It's absolutely appalling. That sums up how we treat the rest of the living world.

I feel a huge feeling of shame and dread thinking about what world we'll be leaving our children.

Excellent post.
I'm sure every thinking adult knows that our way of life is totally unsustainable.
The industrial revolution was the beginning of the end really.
The Red Indians, the Aboriginals etc. Did no damage to anything.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Excellent post.
I'm sure every thinking adult knows that our way of life is totally unsustainable.
The industrial revolution was the beginning of the end really.
The Red Indians, the Aboriginals etc. Did no damage to anything.

Early humans in general left evidence of their existence but never did anything to damage our ecosystem that couldn't be reversed by the natural processes that drive the planet. Even to an extent relatively modern civilisations didn't really cause any major environmental impacts that couldn't have been eventually reversed if human instantaneously ceased to exist.

Then along came the industrial age and EVERYTHING changed

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Too many lazy bastards who can't be without their cars or monster 4 by 4s, me, me, me disease.
Those wankers are the ones to blame for the shit we are in now - I love running and walking, I barely see anyone walking these days, they get the car out to go to the shop 100 yards down the road. There in lies the problem.
I lost my mum who was 45 - 20 years ago to asthma, I blamed then and still blame the pollution in this region for her death.

 

[mancity1]

Fuck all to do with being left or right chippy but at least now we know why you think you have to be so vocal whilst proving you know fuck all of what you’re talking about. You think this is a political issue and it’s politics at play rather than science. I’m to the right of you politically but that doesn’t mean I hate my children or grandchildren.

You should have said so earlier so we could have all ignored your rambling arsewater. Ps even fucking Boris agrees with the 90% on this thread that understand we’ve got a huge bloody issue facing us.

Fair enough to have your view but to dismiss others that they know nothing about the issue infers you know it all when anyone with a half a brain knows that the response is partly political , economic , social etc.

All we here from the alarmists is the pollies don't know what they are doing and are the first to incur there ire.

Business and corporations in some cases leading the way and ignoring politicians or working with them as they should.

it futile to think the response doesn't lie in part in the public arena as people like to crow about all the time.

To infer those who don't get on board that climate change is the greatest threat to mankind and if nothing is done to reduce global warming or its not being done in the pace it should be we are doomed its only a matter of when dislike their children etc is sheer lunacy and again why the kids in school are being scared out of their wits thinking their future is bleak.

these people are the main character in the nursery rhyme saying to all the sky is falling in save me from the sky.

of course that is not the case but go on perhaps you have all the answers and know how to implement them and who must implement them and how.

Lat time I heard no scientist can implement the so called measures we must do to address the issue , it needs government , industry , citizens etc to do the work.

they can suggest options pure and simple , they don't have the will or the means to make to " changes " required.

No bureaucrat I know will pay for my living and my kids and grandkids mental health and education when a health bureaucrat tells them to lock us down time and again.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Too many lazy bastards who can't be without their cars or monster 4 by 4s, me, me, me disease.
Those wankers are the ones to blame for the shit we are in now - I love running and walking, I barely see anyone walking these days, they get the car out to go to the shop 100 yards down the road. There in lies the problem.
I lost my mum who was 45 - 20 years ago to asthma, I blamed then and still blame the pollution in this region for her death.

I ride my bike about 11km each way to and from work up and down a couple of big hills. My ride takes me through the centre of Lincoln. The air quality is not too bad in the mornings as I'm usually out of the house around 0630, but in the late afternoon it's horrible, especially with the current diversion route due to the closure of Pellham bridge.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

I ride my bike about 11km each way to and from work up and down a couple of big hills. My ride takes me through the centre of Lincoln. The air quality is not too bad in the mornings as I'm usually out of the house around 0630, but in the late afternoon it's horrible, especially with the current diversion route due to the closure of Pellham bridge.

I try to do morning runs - the evening ones probably do me more harm with all the shit from the cars.
It really annoys me.

 

[west didsblue]

I ride my bike about 11km each way to and from work up and down a couple of big hills. My ride takes me through the centre of Lincoln. The air quality is not too bad in the mornings as I'm usually out of the house around 0630, but in the late afternoon it's horrible, especially with the current diversion route due to the closure of Pellham bridge.

Used to visit Lincoln quite regularly for work reasons. If you can make it up some of those hills in Lincoln on your bike you're doing well. Could barely walk up some of them. A few beers before walking up Steep Hill to the hotel would always help.

 

[stonerblue]

I think most people have a go at her parents and teachers for frightening the shit out of an autistic girl for no good reason.

Climate change is a problem but it isn't an existential problem and it's not even the biggest problem currently facing mankind.

Human ingenuity and innovation will provide the solutions; we'll be fine.

Close the thread and relax. I'm genuinely more worried about making a slow start in the Premier League.

Her parents have not done that.

 

[stonerblue]

Without reading the whole thread has this shown up the usual fucktards?

Of course.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fuck all to do with being left or right chippy but at least now we know why you think you have to be so vocal whilst proving you know fuck all of what you’re talking about. You think this is a political issue and it’s politics at play rather than science. I’m to the right of you politically but that doesn’t mean I hate my children or grandchildren.

You should have said so earlier so we could have all ignored your rambling arsewater. Ps even fucking Boris agrees with the 90% on this thread that understand we’ve got a huge bloody issue facing us.

Sorry to have offended with my arsewater old chap. Suggest you stick to reading your prophecies of doom if it makes you feel worse.

PS. I don't hate your children or grandchildren either, for whom there is a bright future..

 

[stonerblue]

Careful Gotdon, the lefties won't like that. They won't like it one bit.

Must be a confusing issue for born again god-botherers everywhere?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Must be a confusing issue for born again god-botherers everywhere?

Sorry, what must be?

My reply was to Gorton's comment about Socialism, Marxism, Communism etc. (Something that SWP was too high up on his high horse to have been able to realise).

 

[mancity1]

Her parents have not done that.

ok blame it on the teachers then but I am with Gorton , no Foden , no KDB and perhaps no recognised striker we might need a bit of luck to get a win on Sunday.

 

[mancity1]

Sorry, what must be?

My reply was to Gorton's comment about Socialism, Marxism, Communism etc. (Something that SWP was too high up on his high horse to have been able to realise).

he is a bit of a one trick pony pardon the pun, if its not you or me or Bigga or whoever else he will pick on some one else who he thinks watches Fox news to call a fuckwit who knows nothing about nothing.

I am waiting for the climate alarmist equals climate denier tag after having googled the synonyms of both words and convincing himself they are a synonym for its shows you know nothing and how good am I westy of fode or whoever I told them didn't I , I expect a like.

Must have been a big fan of John Banner I reckon and once its posted he gets off his high until the next fix takes over.

Actually I don't mind him , he amuses me with his vocab which is devoid of expression if you remove the vitriol out of it but he wouldn't like me saying that as he cannot let the side down.

 

[stonerblue]

Sorry, what must be?

My reply was to Gorton's comment about Socialism, Marxism, Communism etc. (Something that SWP was too high up on his high horse to have been able to realise).

The whole climate change debate.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Used to visit Lincoln quite regularly for work reasons. If you can make it up some of those hills in Lincoln on your bike you're doing well. Could barely walk up some of them. A few beers before walking up Steep Hill to the hotel would always help.

White Heart or Lincoln Hotel?

I often ride up the hill at the side of steep hill (Michael Gate) on the way home which pops out pretty much half way up Steep Hill. The cobbles are a bit emotional if it's wet.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Don't know how serious this figure is, but a piece on garden lawns on the London Review of Books blog by someone called Arianne Shahvisi claims that forty million acres of land in the U.S. are devoted to people's lawns, and that 60% of water consumed in urban areas is devoted to watering them.
If that is true, it is nuts. We simply cannot go on living this way. I'm not saying that we've got anything to congratulate ourselves about in Europe, but anyone who has visited the U.S. will surely have been struck by the way wastefulness has virtually been integrated into their whole way of living.
By the way, there is a fascinating in-depth article in the LRB by the excellent James Meek about wind turbines and the construction of Hornsea 2, which will be the world's biggest offshore wind farm. What's good about the article is that it points up all the (inevitable?) contradictions in the drive to green energy. The towers for the turbines (which for obvious reasons are much, much bigger than land-based turbines – they are real behemoths) were partly constructed in Campbeltown in Scotland. That factory was closed, and they are now constructed at a much bigger factory at Phu My in Vietnam. Why? Essentially, because Scottish workers won't work the extremely long hours that the Vietnamese workers accept, for the much lower salary, in often dangerous conditions (there have been deaths at the Vietnam factory, and bad injuries at the Scottish one).
This means that every tower constructed for Hornsea 2 is hauled by container ships from the other side of the globe. I'd be curious to know what the carbon footprint is. Beautiful, eh?

Incidentally, as a coda: Johnson said that wind power was a stupid idea: "it wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding”. Seven years later, he said that he wanted the U.K. to “become the Saudi Arabia of wind” (quotes from Meek, who is generally a serious and trustworthy journalist. I suppose they can be tracked down.) I have no beef with Johnson either way, by the way. I haven't voted in British elections for many years.