Political relations between UK-EU

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bluethrunthru said:
Truss appoints Ian Botham as UK Trade Envoy to Australia as the Whitehall farce gathers pace.................!!!!!
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Another tax dodger who lives in the Channel Islands (Alderney I believe) no doubt being paid a fortune with no job description and no outcome if he delivers nothing or cocks up.

His only qualification is being a Tory supporter and a brexiteer.

Just Tories being Tories.


(oh and my local Shell station had 4 pumps out of 6 shut down today)
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Another tax dodger who lives in the Channel Islands (Alderney I believe) no doubt being paid a fortune with no job description and no outcome if he delivers nothing or cocks up.

His only qualification is being a Tory supporter and a brexiteer.

Just Tories being Tories.


(oh and my local Shell station had 4 pumps out of 6 shut down today)
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I can see the theory - Aussies like cricket, we'll give their business heads the opportunity to talk to our most famous cricketer in exchange for stuff. I doubt that he will actually have any real input apart from meet and greets as a famous face.

It does rather require that the Aussies do view him as some kind of god to prostrate themselves before - that seems a bit less likely.

Some of the other posts announced seem rather less attractive than Australia!
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I can see the theory - Aussies like cricket, we'll give their business heads the opportunity to talk to our most famous cricketer in exchange for stuff. I doubt that he will actually have any real input apart from meet and greets as a famous face.

It does rather require that the Aussies do view him as some kind of god to prostrate themselves before - that seems a bit less likely.

Some of the other posts announced seem rather less attractive than Australia!
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He’s not going to do it for less than first class air tickets and 5 star hotels so he’ll have to generate a fair amount of business just to cover his expenses.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Truss appoints Ian Botham as UK Trade Envoy to Australia as the Whitehall farce gathers pace.................!!!!!
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Botham is a low-intelligence moron. Everyone knows it too.

Back to my theory which I've spouted on here for five years. Every single high profile Brexiteer is a moron. I still haven't seen an exception. They are all either nasty or stupid and in many cases both. That's why our government is such a shambles.
 
The UK kite mark punted back a year. Via FT.

’...there weren't enough certification bodies in UK, or enough readiness by EU businesses to certify their products with UKCA marks. So UK govt had to yield to reality.‘

Also UK border controls in October, will just be data collection. No checks etc. Means our exporters face full border controls, whereas EU exporters to UK will not.

Finally it seems we are prepared to *checks notes* starve rather than have EU drivers in the country. Marvellous :)

 
BobKowalski said:
The UK kite mark punted back a year. Via FT.

’...there weren't enough certification bodies in UK, or enough readiness by EU businesses to certify their products with UKCA marks. So UK govt had to yield to reality.‘

Also UK border controls in October, will just be data collection. No checks etc. Means our exporters face full border controls, whereas EU exporters to UK will not.

Finally it seems we are prepared to *checks notes* starve rather than have EU drivers in the country. Marvellous :)

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Something else that wasn't going to happen.......we are not going to starve because convicted drunk drivers will be out on day release to ( hopefully ) supermarkets laden with goods.....some of which will be alcohol. Can turkeys be trained to process other turkeys and deliver them in time for Xmas?
 
bluethrunthru said:
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Talk about playing to the audience. £670bn is the total value of all imports and exports to EU in 2019 - last time I looked we still trade with the EU.

2021 will obviously show lower total value for various reasons but our exports to the EU are pretty healthy, our June export to EU numbers have rarely been better; 2018 they were marginally higher and then not since 2006 (ignoring inflationary impacts). Our balance of trade gap has shrunk (aka our imports from EU are lower) but the trend is also showing growing imports from EU - difficult to predict where we will end 2021 as the numbers are largely volatile. Anyroads I’m sure there would have been a post or two in the thread already about our improve exports to the EU so I won’t dwell on it.

Obviously numbers aren’t the be all and end all, there are real people with real businesses that are still struggling.
 
BobKowalski said:
The UK kite mark punted back a year. Via FT.

’...there weren't enough certification bodies in UK, or enough readiness by EU businesses to certify their products with UKCA marks. So UK govt had to yield to reality.‘

Also UK border controls in October, will just be data collection. No checks etc. Means our exporters face full border controls, whereas EU exporters to UK will not.

Finally it seems we are prepared to *checks notes* starve rather than have EU drivers in the country. Marvellous :)

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I love the comment about Lynn ‘So dense light bends around him’.
 
BobKowalski said:
The UK kite mark punted back a year. Via FT.

’...there weren't enough certification bodies in UK, or enough readiness by EU businesses to certify their products with UKCA marks. So UK govt had to yield to reality.‘

Also UK border controls in October, will just be data collection. No checks etc. Means our exporters face full border controls, whereas EU exporters to UK will not.

Finally it seems we are prepared to *checks notes* starve rather than have EU drivers in the country. Marvellous :)

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Low value industries........food? Does that **** just live on air?
 
metalblue said:
Talk about playing to the audience. £670bn is the total value of all imports and exports to EU in 2019 - last time I looked we still trade with the EU.

2021 will obviously show lower total value for various reasons but our exports to the EU are pretty healthy, our June export to EU numbers have rarely been better; 2018 they were marginally higher and then not since 2006 (ignoring inflationary impacts). Our balance of trade gap has shrunk (aka our imports from EU are lower) but the trend is also showing growing imports from EU - difficult to predict where we will end 2021 as the numbers are largely volatile. Anyroads I’m sure there would have been a post or two in the thread already about our improve exports to the EU so I won’t dwell on it.

Obviously numbers aren’t the be all and end all, there are real people with real businesses that are still struggling.
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Depends what you mean by healthy.
Overall exports are up by 7% compared to last year for obvious reasons, however the real measure is to compare with exports prior to the pandemic and prior to the implementation of additional Brexit related red tape on our exports to the EU, and if you do that then they are down 7% compared to 2018.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/april2021
 
west didsblue said:
Depends what you mean by healthy.
Overall exports are up by 7% compared to last year for obvious reasons, however the real measure is to compare with exports prior to the pandemic and prior to the implementation of additional Brexit related red tape on our exports to the EU, and if you do that then they are down 7% compared to 2018.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/april2021
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They don't want to face up to that truth though
 
metalblue said:
Talk about playing to the audience. £670bn is the total value of all imports and exports to EU in 2019 - last time I looked we still trade with the EU.

2021 will obviously show lower total value for various reasons but our exports to the EU are pretty healthy, our June export to EU numbers have rarely been better; 2018 they were marginally higher and then not since 2006 (ignoring inflationary impacts). Our balance of trade gap has shrunk (aka our imports from EU are lower) but the trend is also showing growing imports from EU - difficult to predict where we will end 2021 as the numbers are largely volatile. Anyroads I’m sure there would have been a post or two in the thread already about our improve exports to the EU so I won’t dwell on it.

Obviously numbers aren’t the be all and end all, there are real people with real businesses that are still struggling.
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Germany must be really unlucky not be benefitting from the UK booming economy (sans chickens). Deferring the UK Quality Mark and retaining the EU Mark will help a bit, though. Nice to see reality unmoved by Brexit ideology :)

German exports to major European partners
Jan-June 2021 vs Jan-June 2020:

+20% Belgium
+17% Netherlands
+17% France
+28% Italy
+23% Spain
+26% Poland
+23% Czech Republic
+20% Austria

+3% UK

German imports from major European partners
Jan-June 2021 vs Jan-June 2020:

+32% Belgium
+11% Netherlands
+10% France
+25% Italy
+12% Spain
+25% Poland
+22% Czech Republic
+19% Austria

-11% UK
 
Note BTW - England, Scotland and Wales Maccie Dee's have no milkshakes - NI however is different - question for Brexiters - why is that? Whats so different there?
 
west didsblue said:
Depends what you mean by healthy.
Overall exports are up by 7% compared to last year for obvious reasons, however the real measure is to compare with exports prior to the pandemic and prior to the implementation of additional Brexit related red tape on our exports to the EU, and if you do that then they are down 7% compared to 2018.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/april2021
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Looking at absolute numbers, as you rightly point out COVID makes comparisons more complex but our total June export value to EU (£14.3bn) was the highest since July 2019 (£14.5bn), our highest single months on records are Mar 2019 @ £15.9bn and April 2006 @ £16.1bn. Back to the COVID caveat our June exports may simply be better because there was a bit of pent up demand in the EU, be good to see the next couple of months to start to get a view of trends - hopefully ourimports from the EU will continue to improve as well (June was £19.1bn, July 2019 for comparison was £22.3bn)
 
metalblue said:
...Anyroads I’m sure there would have been a post or two in the thread already about our improve exports to the EU so I won’t dwell on it.
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There have. And it isn't complicated. If you raise trade barriers, you hinder trade, impose administrative barriers and increase costs.

The solution is to decrease these trade barriers. To do this we need a deeper and more beneficial trade arrangement with the EU. The current deal is shallow and one-sided. The EU have put in place full border controls which our industries have to navigate. EU industries do not face this challenge as we have not put in place border controls and the likelihood of us doing so in October are remote.

The UK Quality standard was part of this attempt to reassert UK influence over trade, yet was pushed back as we don't have the infrastructure to do the necessary checks and certification and International companies declined to undergo an additional costly exercise to satisfy our vanity.

The solution to those business struggling and facing additional red tape and admin costs is to eliminate them and that means accepting the UK is bound up within the EU economic zone and accepting the common rules and standards that govern it.

This will reduce trade barriers, eliminate unnecessary admin costs to our industries and remove the angst of a trade border between GB and NI.

People who reject this solution prize political ideology over economic welfare of this country and the peace process in NI. Brexit is the new communist orthodoxy.
 
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