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Fode N The Hole said:
Yeah, I stopped watching that when he started saying the USA invented the Taliban. The Taliban was a response to the chaos of the Mujahideen groups abandoning their alliance and fighting over power, they didn't exist before the Soviet retreat.

What does this prove about anybody other than Bill Maher?
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Are you sure you want to go down the road you have about the Taliban?
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Holly crap, Bigga! Are you a member of QAnon? WTF?

Look, you and I - and indeed the public at large - are not expert on most matters. So what should we do to best inform our decisions - to proceed rationally.

Trust scientists and topic-specific experts. Provided that the scientific method is alive and well and the scientific results are presented without bias.
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Absent rational behavior - hell, yeah. Take a bunch of de-wormer drugs on the recommendation of Joe Rogan.
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I don't mind that we disagree on policy, provided, first, however, that we agree on facts as established by science and expert opinion.

In terms of rational thought and decision making - I'm having trouble believing that you're any better than the guy in the USA that entered a pizza restaurant and discharged a loaded assault rifle believing that the pizza establishment was a pedophile ring run by Hilary Clinton.
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So, now, let me ask you did the scientific experts approve injecting a drug the FDA did not before the official approval?

It's a simple yes or no without any blurb.
 
west didsblue said:
Ignore him. He’s already proved his QAnon credentials to the forum with his comments about Rogan and Covid.
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I mentioned the QAnon association out of irony. Bigga claims to be of far left politics. Anything right of AOC is a fascist in his book - or so I thought.

But this latest pro-Rogan bullshit leaves me wondering - is BIgga simply a WUM? 'cause what he says makes no sense whatsoever, even from the perspective of a putative, ultra liberal.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I mentioned the QAnon association out of irony. Bigga claims to be of far left politics. Anything right of AOC is a fascist in his book - or so I thought.

But this latest pro-Rogan bullshit leaves me wondering - is BIgga simply a WUM? 'cause what he says makes not sense whatsoever, even from the perspective of a putative, ultra liberal.
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Yeah, maybe you should read what was said, too?
 
The Bigga thing...

Let's assume that he's a liberal.

But why? On what basis?

His recent posts indicate that if he is indeed a liberal, he's reached this political persuasion not out of logic or belief in science - but in, I guess, gut feeling? The Joe Rogan approach to politics?
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In any event, Bigga is manifestly irrational. His decisions are not based on fact and established science but on some other guiding principle. That he claims to be a liberal is of no solace to me. A paid Russian troll might post precisely the same fodder as Bigga posts.

Irrational actors are dangerous to society. And Bigga is one such.
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Edit - my brother whom I've posted about previously - now retweets Joe Rogan with regularity on his feed. Aside from the fact that BIgga and my brother have polar opposite political beliefs - you'd be hard pressed to differentiate the two based on recent posts, both supporting a skeptical view of science and an "open minded" ad hoc approach to COVID safety... FFS!
 
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Bigga said:
Are you sure you want to go down the road you have about the Taliban?
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Yes. Even if the overall wider point about them creating the conditions for them to flourish is correct it isn't true to say that they were invented by the Americans or the CIA etc. Even Pakistan ISI involvement is much looser than that.

It’s wrong to conflate the Taliban and Mujahideen and it isn't accurate to describe them as a direct successor group, either.

If you want to argue the point that American overseas operations lead to radical and extremist groups don't simplify it for dumbies to the point that your reductionism becomes untruth.

What's Dore's wider point? That American power has no care about the morals of its current "allies"?

I mean that's plainly self-evident.

Taliban outlawed Bachar-Bazi, the practice's occurrence grew again after the Taliban were ousted in 2001.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
No comment. Slavish fucking idiot cult devotees of the nation, unite!

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It’s a nice headline.

But theres an update at the top of the actual article:
The doc isn’t a doc at that hospital (anymore)

The article doesn’t contain any quotes from the hospital directly saying that ivermectin idiots are blocking beds for gunshot victims.

so… it’s a nice tweet encapsulating the foobar of some of the US completely, but it’s based on the word of an indirect person.

when the ‘side’ you are on goes down the route of making stuff up/enhancing the truth… it doesnt do itself any favours :-(
 
JASR said:
It’s a nice headline.

But theres an update at the top of the actual article:
The doc isn’t a doc at that hospital (anymore)

The article doesn’t contain any quotes from the hospital directly saying that ivermectin idiots are blocking beds for gunshot victims.

so… it’s a nice tweet encapsulating the foobar of some of the US completely, but it’s based on the word of an indirect person.

when the ‘side’ you are on goes down the route of making stuff up/enhancing the truth… it doesnt do itself any favours :-(
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That update was attached after I posted the article, to be fair to me.
 
JASR said:
when the ‘side’ you are on goes down the route of making stuff up/enhancing the truth… it doesnt do itself any favours :-(
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Check out Fox News - you'll find opinion-based, fact free "reporting" blaring non-stop. But good on you for (possibly) finding an inaccurate post (I've not looked into this at all so you may be dead wrong but I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here).
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As an aside - I'll bet that you cannot guess what Fox News' byline was at origination and continuing up until Trump's presidency...

"Fair and Balanced."
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That slogan was intentionally dropped in 2017... guess why? Because their coverage is anything but "fair and balanced" - they are essentially a propaganda machine for former president Donald Trump.

And the "fair and balanced" slogan - as manifestly untrue as it is - is not a ratings winner with Fox's audience. Fox watchers could care less about "fair and balanced" - they want simply to "Make American Great Again." And so the old slogan - as hollow as it was - was dropped.
 
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The one — ONE — thing long-lost Damocles and I agreed on was that extremist, radical politics on both sides of the spectrum meet at the exact same place — totalitarianism, which is the rule of the all by the one. Why do you think people follow gurus, or are slavishly devoted to leaders, religious, political or otherwise? Because they’re looking desperately for guidelines, a rule book, codification, structure, a blueprint to give direction and meaning for their miserable existences. Whatever their particular misery, and whether their lot in life isn’t their fault or is caused by the series of stupid decisions they made on their own, it doesn’t matter — it’s human nature to conclude it isn’t their fault, and it’s human nature to grasp at simple solutions because the world is complex and trying to parse complexity makes a downtrodden person feel more hopeless than they already are. When one charismatic can lay that all out for you — be he/she a preacher, a podcaster, or Donald Trump — and ensure you are not to blame for where you are, suddenly you have a belief system you can live by (and of course the charismatic gets all he/she wants too — money, power, adulation — provided by the hapless and the hopeless). The complex is made simple because the structure and idea set comes from ONE person. There is no argument, and no conflict. The “politics” doesn’t matter. The situation is made 100,000x worse by technology — Qanon e.g. is a collective hive mind that acts as a “man behind a curtain” and technology allows dogma to spread instantaneously.

But the wobbliness that ensues when that leader contravenes common sense? That results in series of decisions by the slavish cult devotees that defy the logic employed by the un-entrapped. So we look at people taking horse dewormer and cannot understand how people can possibly be so stupid. The entrapped know this is ridiculous too, deep down, but to admit it would be to contravene the cult, the basket in which they have put every egg. So . . . they start defending their leader, making up excuses, finding “loopholes”, acting defiant, calling everyone else out as “sheep”, etc. ad nauseum. Every motherfucking time on every motherfucking topic.

How do we deprogram millions and millions of cult members? I don’t know. And I’m frightened.
 
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You think Rolling Stone could have used a different photo to make the article somewhat believable. It’s summer and they use a photo of people standing in jeans and jackets indicating another season.
 
bigquinn772 said:
You think Rolling Stone could have used a different photo to make the article somewhat believable. It’s summer and they use a photo of people standing in jeans and jackets indicating another season.
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It's a stock image of people queuing, they aren't usually intended to be accurate when the point of using them from stock image providers like Getty is to save on costs.

Used here below.

www.theguardian.com

Native American communities make vaccines available for all Oklahoma residents

With several nations reporting Covid vaccine supplies far in excess of demand, nations open availability to all Oklahoma residents
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
The Bigga thing...

Let's assume that he's a liberal.

But why? On what basis?

His recent posts indicate that if he is indeed a liberal, he's reached this political persuasion not out of logic or belief in science - but in, I guess, gut feeling? The Joe Rogan approach to politics?
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In any event, Bigga is manifestly irrational. His decisions are not based on fact and established science but on some other guiding principle. That he claims to be a liberal is of no solace to me. A paid Russian troll might post precisely the same fodder as Bigga posts.

Irrational actors are dangerous to society. And Bigga is one such.
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Edit - my brother whom I've posted about previously - now retweets Joe Rogan with regularity on his feed. Aside from the fact that BIgga and my brother have polar opposite political beliefs - you'd be hard pressed to differentiate the two based on recent posts, both supporting a skeptical view of science and an "open minded" ad hoc approach to COVID safety... FFS!
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I guess you DIDN'T want to revisit what I said, then?

Kwool.

Does that make you awesome? No, but it makes for a great straw man post which had nothing to do with the post I made and the hyenas laugh along!

Well done.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Yes. Even if the overall wider point about them creating the conditions for them to flourish is correct it isn't true to say that they were invented by the Americans or the CIA etc. Even Pakistan ISI involvement is much looser than that.

It’s wrong to conflate the Taliban and Mujahideen and it isn't accurate to describe them as a direct successor group, either.

If you want to argue the point that American overseas operations lead to radical and extremist groups don't simplify it for dumbies to the point that your reductionism becomes untruth.

What's Dore's wider point? That American power has no care about the morals of its current "allies"?

I mean that's plainly self-evident.

Taliban outlawed Bachar-Bazi, the practice's occurrence grew again after the Taliban were ousted in 2001.
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Here, have a read. Take your time and have a GOOD read and you'll see what kind of involvement the US had.

This aligns with what I knew of the fighting factions following the year of '9/11'.

For me, this is the Proper Context to understand the current situation.
 
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