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west didsblue said:
Found this definition in the Urban Dictionary. Second one down. Fits perfectly.

Bigga
A dumbass who doesn't know what they are talking about or how to have a civilised conversation.
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LOL!! Is this the best you have? You and the thick **** who doesn't know how computers work?

Awww, bless yer little cotton socks, do you need the attention this badly?

Haha!

Sweetie, don't try so hard!
 
Bigga said:
Here, have a read. Take your time and have a GOOD read and you'll see what kind of involvement the US had.

This aligns with what I knew of the fighting factions following the year of '9/11'.

For me, this is the Proper Context to understand the current situation.
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Yeah it still doesn't say the same as "invented" and actually aligns with what I said.

The absolute state of you telling me to read this article carefully when you are posting it as evidence for your own erroneous claims to support Jimmy Dore's lazy shockjock act.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
It's a stock image of people queuing, they aren't usually intended to be accurate when the point of using them from stock image providers like Getty is to save on costs.

Used here below.

www.theguardian.com

Native American communities make vaccines available for all Oklahoma residents

With several nations reporting Covid vaccine supplies far in excess of demand, nations open availability to all Oklahoma residents
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Well maybe they should start using accurate images.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Yeah it still doesn't say the same as "invented" and actually aligns with what I said.

The absolute state of you telling me to read this article carefully when you are posting it as evidence for your own erroneous claims to support Jimmy Dore's lazy shockjock act.
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Actually if the US hadn't have funded all these little groups, they'd have fizzled out, remained small and unarmed or not to the crazy extent they are now.

So, in essence, the US 'created' the Taliban as they stand now with the constant funding and arming.

I should think that's pretty understandable, even for the layman.
 
Bigga said:
Actually if the US hadn't have funded all these little groups, they'd have fizzled out, remained small and unarmed or not to the crazy extent they are now.

So, in essence, the US 'created' the Taliban as they stand now with the constant funding and arming.

I should think that's pretty understandable, even for the layman.
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Except that isn't what Jimmy Dore said.

"The United States invented the Taliban, propped up the Taliban as a way to fight back against Russia"

I don't think you actually believe this is accurate, so stop trying to hide behind the argument you are making. What Dore said was ahistorical and false.

Are you discounting the likelihood that other countries and non state actors would have continued to fund Militant groups in the region?
 
bigquinn772 said:
Well maybe they should start using accurate images.
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I put the article in an ad blocking browser and there were twelve ads blocked on the page. The Guardian article I posted that used the same picture only had one ad blocked. We might infer from that, that the stock image was to cheap to use.

It’s not used in the web article, only the tweet. Probably because they don't earn advertising revenue on twitter, so it doesn't make business sense to procure a more accurate image that costs more to use, when it doesn't (directly) generate ad revenue.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Except that isn't what Jimmy Dore said.

"The United States invented the Taliban, propped up the Taliban as a way to fight back against Russia"

I don't think you actually believe this is accurate, so stop trying to hide behind the argument you are making. What Dore said was ahistorical and false.

Are you discounting the likelihood that other countries and non state actors would have continued to fund Militant groups in the region?
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The only thing 'inaccurate' was the Taliban origins, but everything I said and Dore said post 'creation' was correct and accurate.

You are now arguing semantics, which is what you and crew do every single time.
 
Bigga said:
The only thing 'inaccurate' was the Taliban origins, but everything I said and Dore said post 'creation' was correct and accurate.

You are now arguing semantics, which is what you and crew do every single time.
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No it wasn't, the quoted part in my post was Dore's exact words. If he wanted to make the argument that you claim he should have just said that instead.

You could just admit it was wrong, it's actually more of a personal failing to keep digging.
 
Bigga said:
Actually if the US hadn't have funded all these little groups, they'd have fizzled out, remained small and unarmed or not to the crazy extent they are now.

So, in essence, the US 'created' the Taliban as they stand now with the constant funding and arming.

I should think that's pretty understandable, even for the layman.
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I’ve got you on ignore but look now and again, when you say even for the layman, have you been part of the service in any capacity ?
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
The one — ONE — thing long-lost Damocles and I agreed on was that extremist, radical politics on both sides of the spectrum meet at the exact same place — totalitarianism, which is the rule of the all by the one. Why do you think people follow gurus, or are slavishly devoted to leaders, religious, political or otherwise? Because they’re looking desperately for guidelines, a rule book, codification, structure, a blueprint to give direction and meaning for their miserable existences. Whatever their particular misery, and whether their lot in life isn’t their fault or is caused by the series of stupid decisions they made on their own, it doesn’t matter — it’s human nature to conclude it isn’t their fault, and it’s human nature to grasp at simple solutions because the world is complex and trying to parse complexity makes a downtrodden person feel more hopeless than they already are. When one charismatic can lay that all out for you — be he/she a preacher, a podcaster, or Donald Trump — and ensure you are not to blame for where you are, suddenly you have a belief system you can live by (and of course the charismatic gets all he/she wants too — money, power, adulation — provided by the hapless and the hopeless). The complex is made simple because the structure and idea set comes from ONE person. There is no argument, and no conflict. The “politics” doesn’t matter. The situation is made 100,000x worse by technology — Qanon e.g. is a collective hive mind that acts as a “man behind a curtain” and technology allows dogma to spread instantaneously.

But the wobbliness that ensues when that leader contravenes common sense? That results in series of decisions by the slavish cult devotees that defy the logic employed by the un-entrapped. So we look at people taking horse dewormer and cannot understand how people can possibly be so stupid. The entrapped know this is ridiculous too, deep down, but to admit it would be to contravene the cult, the basket in which they have put every egg. So . . . they start defending their leader, making up excuses, finding “loopholes”, acting defiant, calling everyone else out as “sheep”, etc. ad nauseum. Every motherfucking time on every motherfucking topic.

How do we deprogram millions and millions of cult members? I don’t know. And I’m frightened.
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Nothing will deprogram them. They don’t want to be deprogramed. Like with any ‘religion’, not even imminent death will change their minds.

 
BobKowalski said:
Nothing will deprogram them. They don’t want to be deprogramed. Like with any ‘religion’, not even imminent death will change their minds.

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I think you are right in general. My point was I see little difference among those who aspire to cult leader status regardless of whether it is political or otherwise, and little difference among their hopelessly zonked followers. I know how the cult members will turn out. I am interested in the motivation of the leaders, like Joe Rogan or Rush Limbaugh or Jim Bakker or countless others.

There are some who acquire such status but did not aspire to it, and can manage and handle it, because they are not inherently interested in taking advantage of the adulation to benefit/enrich themselves. They don't want to be followed by a cult. Monty Python made an entire movie about this.

Then there are those who acquire it, and cannot manage nor handle nor want it, and they end up like Kurt Cobain.
 
Republicans have been empowered and using religion to force the issue.

Listening to this Texas Republican on BBC makes me realise that America is no longer the leader of the free world, it’s the leader of the cults who have taken democracy to the dark ages.

Looking at these ‘leaders’ I think many would look to Xi and Putin‘s policies better served than their own.
 
Bigga said:
Interesting.

I've never heard Rogan describe himself anything other than a "moron" who wants to learn. He has access to some of the world's greatest minds courtesy of his wildly successful podcast. I'm pretty sure he would have talked to some of them rather than just chancing by himself.

So, he gets covid and is covid free in 3 days.

What has he done wrong, then?

This Rogan argument is really really stupid!
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I see you’re an “ends justify the means” kinda guy.

Hope that always works out for ya!
 
Fode N The Hole said:
No it wasn't, the quoted part in my post was Dore's exact words. If he wanted to make the argument that you claim he should have just said that instead.

You could just admit it was wrong, it's actually more of a personal failing to keep digging.
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Not arsed what you think.

It's semantics.

I can't be 'digging' when I hold the same position.
 
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