US Politics Thread

[Bigga]

I’ve got you on ignore but look now and again, when you say even for the layman, have you been part of the service in any capacity ?

Put me back on ignore.

That'll do me.

 

[Bigga]

I see you’re an “ends justify the means” kinda guy.

Hope that always works out for ya!

Well, whatever.

I note that you supported the unsanctioned use of a drug for C-19 in the time that it has been used before the FDA approved it. It's been approved under 3 weeks. Where was your vitriol before then?

If Rogan sought medical advice and went his own direction (I don't recall him saying for anyone to do what he did), what's the difference?

You have followed, blindly, on a vaccine that has no means of future outcome until we know it.

It's a bit like the Thalidomide assurance and what happened with that down the line?

We know as much the trees about the affect on Humans down the line.

I haven't condoned anything Rogan has done and the usual dickheads are screaming Qanon as loud as they can.

Absolutely tools to a man as they froth instead of reading.

Pricks.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Well, whatever.

I note that you supported the unsanctioned use of a drug for C-19 in the time that it has been used before the FDA approved it. It's been approved under 3 weeks. Where was your vitriol before then?

That’s just a silly “argument,” isn’t it?

Well understood virus construction and FDA protocols aren’t the toss of a coin for EUA.

If Rogan sought medical advice and went his own direction (I don't recall him saying for anyone to do what he did), what's the difference?

Some people seem to think what he says carries some weight, and thus he has some responsibility. I think he is a meathead who tries to catch some of the reflected wisdom of his guests and regurgitates talking points from his research staff for his mega-Podcast.

The fact that it’s such a big hit tells me more about America than I’d be proud to share.

You have followed, blindly, on a vaccine that has no means of future outcome until we know it.

Prone to telling people what they did and did not do, with some self righteous hyperbole much?

I used the advice of one of the worlds leading virologists to take a shot that could potential save my life if I contracted a deadly virus. And I’m the looney toon???

It's a bit like the Thalidomide assurance and what happened with that down the line?

I can smell the desperation in your words now. Thalidomide & a SARS virus vaccine. Got it!

We know as much the trees about the affect on Humans down the line.

Do I wish I understood what that meant?

I haven't condoned anything Rogan has done and the usual dickheads are screaming Qanon as loud as they can.

Absolutely tools to a man as they froth instead of reading.

Pricks.

I read “Unsanctioned use of a drug” and “it’s a bit like Thalidamide.”

I rest my case.

Fwiw, I have had 1 J&J and 2 Pfizer jobs. I’m DOUBLE VAXXED!

I just don’t want to die unnecessarily, especially when there are vaccines that are very successful at avoiding death for those who do get infected by the latest aggressive strain.

In my job, I come into close contract with thousands of people per day, many of them anti-vaxxers. I believe I have acted responsibly, both for myself, my family and the broader community. I wish I could say the same for others.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Republicans have been empowered and using religion to force the issue.

Listening to this Texas Republican on BBC makes me realise that America is no longer the leader of the free world, it’s the leader of the cults who have taken democracy to the dark ages.

Looking at these ‘leaders’ I think many would look to Xi and Putin‘s policies better served than their own.

First, totalitarianism isn't the purview of the left or the right. It's the purview of "burn it all downers" regardless, (except for the guru-in-charge, of course, who'll make it all better), which is why you are precisely correct in your last sentence even though I think you thought it was an exaggeration when you typed it.

But IMO the Republicans are the opposite of empowered. They are deathly afraid of the opposite. It's WHY they embrace cultism and radical -- nearly insane -- policy -- because the entire point of their existence now is to antagonize -- to "own the libs" -- because they have NOTHING left as a route to power OTHER than that.

It's a series of last acts by desperate people. They know broadly that demographics and cultural norms already have veered or will soon veer away from either what they always believed was true, or what beliefs held by others kept them in power (that being much more likely in the case of politicians you refer to).

How it will all end I don't know -- it's a race, but I don't know if it's a marathon or a sprint.

So what to make of those on the left who don't criticiz(s)e this? They don't because they actively WANT to watch all those they hate and fear and envy, all those who surpass them daily in accomplishments and happiness, all those who didn't fuck up their own lives by their own idiotic decisions and moral turpitude, suffer as they have suffered. That's their literal only goal -- the suffering of others.

In that regard, despite the progressiveness they maintain they possess, I see those as lockstep with every cretin-like Proud Boy and KKKer, every uneducated Trump cultist, every lost-in-rabbit-hole Qanon theorist.

 

[Bigga]

That’s just a silly “argument,” isn’t it?

Well understood virus construction and FDA protocols aren’t the toss of a coin for EUA.

Is it a "silly argument", though?

A virus so "well understood" that the FDA STILL didn't get on board until 3 weeks ago, but you're good to throw in the EUA argument?

It's your FDA, why didn't they?

Some people seem to think what he says carries some weight, and thus he has some responsibility. I think he is a meathead who tries to catch some of the reflected wisdom of his guests and regurgitates talking points from his research staff for his mega-Podcast.

The fact that it’s such a big hit tells me more about America than I’d be proud to share.

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion. Blaming him is a bit stupid, though, non?
He hasn't created the means for him to have the platform he has.

That would be... Oooo... capitalism doing its finest work!

Prone to telling people what they did and did not do, with some self righteous hyperbole much?

I used the advice of one of the worlds leading virologists to take a shot that could potential save my life if I contracted a deadly virus. And I’m the looney toon???

Let me ask you, who advised Rogan? Do you think it was some crackhead down the street? At this point the "potential save my life if I contracted a deadly virus" line adheres to both you AND Rogan. Unknown unknowns and all that.

I can smell the desperation in your words now. Thalidomide & a SARS virus vaccine. Got it!

Hilarious how you leap over the fact that Thalidomide was an 'unknown' quantity shoved down the throats of people made by some of the 'world's leading scientists' at the time. But, you carry on, petal.

Do I wish I understood what that meant?

First day back at work and I was ready for bed. But, just for you because you asked so nicely...

"We know as much AS the trees about the affect on Humans down the line".

I hope you haven't been worrying about the 'cryptic messaging' too much?

I read “Unsanctioned use of a drug” and “it’s a bit like Thalidamide.”

I rest my case.

Fwiw, I have had 1 J&J and 2 Pfizer jobs. I’m DOUBLE VAXXED!

I just don’t want to die unnecessarily, especially when there are vaccines that are very successful at avoiding death for those who do get infected by the latest aggressive strain.

In my job, I come into close contract with thousands of people per day, many of them anti-vaxxers. I believe I have acted responsibly, both for myself, my family and the broader community. I wish I could say the same for others.

Yes, awesome case to rest on! Great job smashing my discussion apart.

You've had your jabs and now due to the 'Delta' variant causing 'breakthrough' cases, are you getting the booster jab as well? Unknown unknowns about the mixing of vaccines by someone who calls Rogan "Irresponsible"...?

Your choices are your own as is Rogan's as is anybody else's.

You do not know your outcome in 5/ 10 years from your decision and nor does Rogan.

It's not like jumping off a bridge, is it?

*whispers*

Anyway, I'm letting my other Qanon pals down. I'd better sneak back into the cult meeting.

See you later!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Is it a "silly argument", though?

A virus so "well understood" that the FDA STILL didn't get on board until 3 weeks ago, but you're good to throw in the EUA argument?

It's your FDA, why didn't they?

I’ll forgive you your ignorance of the process of issuing the full approval. After all, it’s not your FDA. However, the word “process” should help you. If you are interested, you can look up what was needed to get EUA, and then full approval. I hope you don’t feel too silly after you’ve done that.

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion. Blaming him is a bit stupid, though, non?
He hasn't created the means for him to have the platform he has.

That would be... Oooo... capitalism doing its finest work!

Im assuming there’s some silly dig at American capitalism in there, but am hoping I’m wrong that you’ve become so desperate as to make it.

Let me ask you, who advised Rogan? Do you think it was some crackhead down the street? At this point the "potential save my life if I contracted a deadly virus" line adheres to both you AND Rogan. Unknown unknowns and all that.

Excellent…a Rumsfeld joke!

Again, feel free to do your research on who advised him. FWIW, there is a Doctor group that is pushing Ivermectin as some kind of aid. Enjoy reading about them.

Do you know what they call the guy who comes bottom of his class in Medical School?

Doctor.

Hilarious how you leap over the fact that Thalidomide was an 'unknown' quantity shoved down the throats of people made by some of the 'world's leading scientists' at the time. But, you carry on, petal.

Didnt “leap over” anything. Bringing in a specious argument from 50 years ago about a different drug, in different circumstances, with a vastly different outcome is worthy of leaping over, but I addressed it…IT IS NOT A SARS VIRUS. WE KNOW WHAT SARS VIRUSES ARE.

First day back at work and I was ready for bed. But, just for you because you asked so nicely...

"We know as much AS the trees about the affect on Humans down the line".

I hope you haven't been worrying about the 'cryptic messaging' too much?

Not worried, at all. Spellchecker and predictive text are the bane of my existence, too!

Yes, awesome case to rest on! Great job smashing my discussion apart.

No smashing required. It was a weak and ineffective discussion from the outset. You just seem to not understand the issue.

You've had your jabs and now due to the 'Delta' variant causing 'breakthrough' cases, are you getting the booster jab as well? Unknown unknowns about the mixing of vaccines by someone who calls Rogan "Irresponsible"...?

Again, you don’t understand the science!

I originally had the “traditional” J&J single dose vaccine through work. Six months later, there was some talk of boosters being very effective for those who had taken an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna). These are a new type of vaccine that use RNA to stop the virus. Because I had originally received the traditional type of vaccine (J&J), I opted to get vaxxed again with the mRNA vaccines…a completely different type of vaccine, which comes at the problem a different way.

As for your seeming derision of the Delta variant and breakthrough cases, it is precisely the fact that people have not been timely in getting vaccinated that has helped provide the t8me and bodies for variants to mutate and gain ground. Delta has been seen to be much more easily transmitted and more aggressive, as is common with mutations.

Ergo, I’m not the problem…people not getting vaccinated are the problem! THEY are the reason at here are so many receptive hosts for the virus to infect and mutate!

Your choices are your own as is Rogan's as is anybody else's.

You do not know your outcome in 5/ 10 years from your decision and nor does Rogan.

Wow, we have devolved to “nobody knows the future” as your capstone debate point. BRILLIANT!! I guess you win?!

I chose to listen to the worlds leading virologists, the main one of whom has won every medical award and prize in his profession, except the Nobel Prize, mainly because he left research and went to work on behalf of the Nation!

See you later!

I’ll be here If you can come up with anything worth discussing on this topic. I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Zuriblue]

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

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And here I was, champing at the bit to correct spelling! LOL.

Well done Bobby T.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

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This is a serious thread; quit horsing around.

 

[Zuriblue]

This is a serious thread; quit horsing around.

Neigh lad.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

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That guy deserves a Bluemoon Pun Award!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Neigh lad.

Hay... pack it in.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Well, whatever.

I note that you supported the unsanctioned use of a drug for C-19 in the time that it has been used before the FDA approved it. It's been approved under 3 weeks. Where was your vitriol before then?

If Rogan sought medical advice and went his own direction (I don't recall him saying for anyone to do what he did), what's the difference?

You have followed, blindly, on a vaccine that has no means of future outcome until we know it.

It's a bit like the Thalidomide assurance and what happened with that down the line?

We know as much the trees about the affect on Humans down the line.

I haven't condoned anything Rogan has done and the usual dickheads are screaming Qanon as loud as they can.

Absolutely tools to a man as they froth instead of reading.

Pricks.

JUDGE RULES AGAINST FORCING HOSPITALS TO ADMINISTER IVERMECTIN

Based on the current evidence, (Judge) Oster wrote, the drug — which is primarily used to deworm horses but has been promoted by some doctors, some Republicans and the popular podcast host Joe Rogan to combat the coronavirus — “is not an effective treatment for Covid-19.”

Oster cited advisories from the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and medical associations that have warned against using the medication for Covid-19.

Oster also cited problems with research into using ivermectin to treat the disease, including the withdrawal of a non-peer-reviewed study from a website that posts academic pre-prints.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

JUDGE RULES AGAINST FORCING HOSPITALS TO ADMINISTER IVERMECTIN

Based on the current evidence, (Judge) Oster wrote, the drug — which is primarily used to deworm horses but has been promoted by some doctors, some Republicans and the popular podcast host Joe Rogan to combat the coronavirus — “is not an effective treatment for Covid-19.”

Oster cited advisories from the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and medical associations that have warned against using the medication for Covid-19.

Oster also cited problems with research into using ivermectin to treat the disease, including the withdrawal of a non-peer-reviewed study from a website that posts academic pre-prints.

How dare you provide actual evidence ;-)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

JUDGE RULES AGAINST FORCING HOSPITALS TO ADMINISTER IVERMECTIN

Based on the current evidence, (Judge) Oster wrote, the drug — which is primarily used to deworm horses but has been promoted by some doctors, some Republicans and the popular podcast host Joe Rogan to combat the coronavirus — “is not an effective treatment for Covid-19.”

Oster cited advisories from the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and medical associations that have warned against using the medication for Covid-19.

Oster also cited problems with research into using ivermectin to treat the disease, including the withdrawal of a non-peer-reviewed study from a website that posts academic pre-prints.

Yeah, but the FDA, CDC and a bunch of doctors were wrong about something once, so that makes them all completely untrustworthy on any and all medical topics forever more.

Whereas I've never heard of a vet ever making a bad diagnosis of a human before, so therefore it must be okay to take horse dewormer. That the FDA, CDC and a bunch of doctors think it's a bad idea only makes it more likely that it's a good idea, since they're always wrong.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Bigga the anti vaxxer now. Who would have thought it.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

JUDGE RULES AGAINST FORCING HOSPITALS TO ADMINISTER IVERMECTIN

Based on the current evidence, (Judge) Oster wrote, the drug — which is primarily used to deworm horses but has been promoted by some doctors, some Republicans and the popular podcast host Joe Rogan to combat the coronavirus — “is not an effective treatment for Covid-19.”

Oster cited advisories from the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and medical associations that have warned against using the medication for Covid-19.

Oster also cited problems with research into using ivermectin to treat the disease, including the withdrawal of a non-peer-reviewed study from a website that posts academic pre-prints.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Yeah, but the FDA, CDC and a bunch of doctors were wrong about something once, so that makes them all completely untrustworthy on any and all medical topics forever more.

Whereas I've never heard of a vet ever making a bad diagnosis of a human before, so therefore it must be okay to take horse dewormer. That the FDA, CDC and a bunch of doctors think it's a bad idea only makes it more likely that it's a good idea, since they're always wrong.

Not sure who you've been taking logic lesson's from...

 

[west didsblue]

Bigga the anti vaxxer now. Who would have thought it.

In other news, it was revealed the Pope is a catholic and a bear was seen shitting in the woods.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Anyone who's ever been prescribed a strong steroid like prednisone would understand why he felt good.

It makes you feel absolutely fucking fantastic for a while, often disguises how ill someone actually is.

It makes me feel absolutely terrible, has me banging off walls, can't sleep, proper agitated and gives me hampster cheeks. The side effects from Pred are absolutely horrendous and I have never before heard anyone say it made them feel good.