United Thread - 2021/22

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I'll expand on last night.

For various reasons - upbringing, friends and family, etc. - I've not actually hated United since we started getting good enough to beat them. The last time I remember saying "I hate United" out loud was after the Rooney overhead kick in 2011. A few weeks later we beat them in the FA Cup semi-final and I called them "fucking red twats" after we'd won the game, but I was high on adrenaline and was so stressed during those 90 mins that I gave myself a migraine. Since then (roughly), they've been more of an inconvenience every few months of the season but have never really troubled my thinking. Ever since Moyes came in I've not really found much about them to hate.

But these last two weeks have got under my skin a little, I'll admit. The amount of United shirts I'm suddenly seeing on the streets again (even from before the pandemic); the amount of "United fans" I've met post-Ferguson who never said a word to me about football but are suddenly filling up their Facebook and Instagram feeds with pictures of Ronaldo; the United fans who've insisted they were "falling out of love with the game" but have come back in droves since Ronaldo signed. I feel really sorry for the people who protested at Old Trafford and Carrington, and who've been boycotting United for years (they do exist), because ever since Ronaldo came back the gullible idiots have lined up like the good consumers they are to buy "Ronaldo 7" shirts.

I've had to listen for weeks as pundits and commentators have: a) ignored the very credible rape allegations against him and in some cases have tried to pretend they don't even exist, b) have argued for the 3pm blackout to be removed because "the people deserve to see the return of Ronaldo", c) have disregarded all available evidence to insist that Ronaldo will be the difference in the title race this year, and d) have made tweets like this. I'm sure there are other things that have irritated me these past few weeks but those are just four examples I can think of right now. I don't hate United -- they're just a football team -- but when pundits talk about them like they're some special case it really does my head in. It's the same when pundits like to get all romantic and sentimental about Liverpool and Barcelona as well.

Throughout all the Ronaldo homecoming hysteria I've been quietly biting my tongue, knowing that, with Solskjaer at the helm, they'll still never get close to winning a thing. Ronaldo isn't a magic bullet just like he wasn't for Juventus -- especially when they've got Olé in the dugout and Fred in midfield. Their squad isn't deep enough, they've neglected crucial areas that badly needed improving, and his transfer actually typifies their short-termism that's cost them so dearly basically ever since Mourinho came in. Their only answer to the question "How do United get back to the top?" is simply "We need to be more like MANCHESTER YANITED", but what does that even mean? Well, apparently it means have Ferguson as a board member, have a former Ferguson acolyte as manager, and a Ferguson-era legend as your star player - oh, and keep your youth team players for as long as possible, even if they're not good enough, "because it's what we did under Ferguson".

So forgive me for chuckling when they threw it away last night. They're a good side with big limitations, nothing more.
 
I have no desire to celebrate Mourinho, but it's looking increasingly likely that much of the "toxic" stuff he did with United was try and draw a line under Ferguson, to stop living in the past, to stop signing players based on what will make the fans feel warm and fuzzy, and to drag the club as a whole into the 21st century. Lmao.
 
I'll expand on last night.

For various reasons - upbringing, friends and family, etc. - I've not actually hated United since we started getting good enough to beat them. The last time I remember saying "I hate United" out loud was after the Rooney overhead kick in 2011. A few weeks later we beat them in the FA Cup semi-final and I called them "fucking red twats" after we'd won the game, but I was high on adrenaline and was so stressed during those 90 mins that I gave myself a migraine. Since then (roughly), they've been more of an inconvenience every few months of the season but have never really troubled my thinking. Ever since Moyes came in I've not really found much about them to hate.

But these last two weeks have got under my skin a little, I'll admit. The amount of United shirts I'm suddenly seeing on the streets again (even from before the pandemic); the amount of "United fans" I've met post-Ferguson who never said a word to me about football but are suddenly filling up their Facebook and Instagram feeds with pictures of Ronaldo; the United fans who've insisted they were "falling out of love with the game" but have come back in droves since Ronaldo signed. I feel really sorry for the people who protested at Old Trafford and Carrington, and who've been boycotting United for years (they do exist), because ever since Ronaldo came back the gullible idiots have lined up like the good consumers they are to buy "Ronaldo 7" shirts.

I've had to listen for weeks as pundits and commentators have: a) ignored the very credible rape allegations against him and in some cases have tried to pretend they don't even exist, b) have argued for the 3pm blackout to be removed because "the people deserve to see the return of Ronaldo", c) have disregarded all available evidence to insist that Ronaldo will be the difference in the title race this year, and d) have made tweets like this. I'm sure there are other things that have irritated me these past few weeks but those are just four examples I can think of right now. I don't hate United -- they're just a football team -- but when pundits talk about them like they're some special case it really does my head in. It's the same when pundits like to get all romantic and sentimental about Liverpool and Barcelona as well.

Throughout all the Ronaldo homecoming hysteria I've been quietly biting my tongue, knowing that, with Solskjaer at the helm, they'll still never get close to winning a thing. Ronaldo isn't a magic bullet just like he wasn't for Juventus -- especially when they've got Olé in the dugout and Fred in midfield. Their squad isn't deep enough, they've neglected crucial areas that badly needed improving, and his transfer actually typifies their short-termism that's cost them so dearly basically ever since Mourinho came in. Their only answer to the question "How do United get back to the top?" is simply "We need to be more like MANCHESTER YANITED", but what does that even mean? Well, apparently it means have Ferguson as a board member, have a former Ferguson acolyte as manager, and a Ferguson-era legend as your star player - oh, and keep your youth team players for as long as possible, even if they're not good enough, "because it's what we did under Ferguson".

So forgive me for chuckling when they threw it away last night. They're a good side with big limitations, nothing more.
Sums up a lot about how I feel as well. The Ronaldo stuff has really reminded me why I hate them all those years.
 
What's this Siuuu bollocks about?
It’s PR7’s celebration, united fans and the media have decided that rather than celebrating trophies and success, and in light of them being shit, they’re going to celebrate the best nearly 37 year old player in the world ever’s celebration instead.
 
Very quiet in the office today. I just ignore the rags anyway bit not one of them has ventured near me. Probably didn't even know they played yesterday
 
Nice to see that Varane is maintaining the form he showed at Real Madrid for the past two years. Young Boys should have had four or five last night with the space those centre backs left for them down the middle, not to mention the Rags' non existent midfield.
The hoofball to Van Persie worked well in 2013 but the game has moved on since then and the limited tactic of hitting it long to Ronaldo will not work, against even average teams. Happy days.
 
Ogs funny how no one calls him on his bias. Apparently its a pen on ronaldo and no red card by wan bissaka. The guy has a reputation as being honest because he looks like a soft arse. But in reality he moans like the rest of the deluded rags and is just as biased.
 
Apparently its a pen on ronaldo and no red card by wan bissaka.
The brains trust (Carrick & McKenna) gawping and re-watching the Bissaka challenge on an iPad, instead of discussing what their next substitute/tactics should be, showed how utter clueless they are as coaches.
 
Ogs funny how no one calls him on his bias. Apparently its a pen on ronaldo and no red card by wan bissaka. The guy has a reputation as being honest because he looks like a soft arse. But in reality he moans like the rest of the deluded rags and is just as biased.

Remember the Govan bully is pulling his strings and he is one of the biggest hypocrites and biased fuckers ever. No wonder his comments are so distorted.
 
So according to the bus driver.

Probably shouldn’t have been a red
Should have been a pen and a red but ref bottled it because he was young and inexperienced

No mention of ridiculous overly defensive set up after the red, the whoppingly bad substitutions the form of Beek and Sancho

Unlike Pep he never puts the blame on his own door.

Even Merson recognised we would have just controlled the ball and Young Boys wouldn’t have got near it, this rag team isn’t equipped leadership or talent wise to do it.
Was this the same young inexperienced ref who gave a red card a few minutes later
Utter garbage
 
I said it in the Ronaldo thread. We were never going to entertain ronny trying to usurp Pep like he is with solkjear. I have the feeling (though it is early days) that we dodged a bullet... I even think we entertained the idea just to make utd sign him. I mean they've ended up fucking their wage structure (again), ended up with an ageing player (again), upset the dressing room (possibly), and put the spotlight pressure totally on utd.

Master stroke if true.

The utd fans are now wanting ole sacked.... I have a slight feeling ronny could get the job.... I mean who is in charge here...
 

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