A thread about protesters

[Rascal]

Oh, I didn't know that and I used to drink in Knutsford, so I thought I knew all the correct stuff about him.



I don't have a problem with protesting per se its just I felt sorry for all those (Man Utd?) fans stuck on th M25 today because it is pointless - Extinction Rebellion (and their off-shoot, Insulate Britain) is pointless. They want a ban on all cars and all plane flights now, it is just unobtainable and they remind me of 'Swampy' living in a tree.

What they are protesting about is irrelevant, next week you may want to protest about protesters, that is your democratic right, i may want to protest at the lack of Mars bars in my local Spar, which is my Democratic right to do so.

Same with the anti-vaxxers marching in London who then encourage other people around the country to reject the vaccine - which is again totally bloody stupid.

They may be stupid , that is not the point, it is there Democratic right to protest. I despise the EDL but i support there right to protest as much as i despise them.

I'm glad its now the law that care workers have had to have the jab and if they don't they should lose their jobs. I just hope the sensible ones who have taken the covid-19 vaccine get a pay rise as a result.

Why don't you organise a protest so that those who get the vaccine are better rewarded.

Protesting about some guy who 300 years ago made money in a bad way (in Bristol) is the absolute pits - what is the point, you can't change history.

Where are the Statues of Hitler in Berlin? Why was there celebration in the Western world when Iraqi's pulled down the statue of Saddam? There are still monuments to Lenin in Kharkiv, Pulling down or keeping up does not change history, history if you are interested is catalogued in books and can always be researched.

But when the police stood aside whilst a statue was vandalised and pushed into the harbour, well it just shows that 'authoritarianism' is nothing we need to worry about, because the powers that be are such pussies.

The Police were allowing Democratic protest. If they had stopped the protest that would be authoritarian.

Has the statue been cleaned up/restored and put back where it once was*? because if not then the protestors have won and that sends out all the wrong messages: that breaking the law is Ok - if the cause is deemed to be a good one, in the moment.

(*That's a rhetorical question by-the-way - I know it has not).

Do you think protestors should never win?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Scruffy cnts on a day out from Hebden Bridge and Chorlton, time out from their day time jobs of unicorn painting and yoga classes.

 

[Rascal]

You do.

Protests are designed to grab attention and piss people off. Some protests I agree with. Climate change, yes. Anti-vaxxers can die and preferably sooner rather than later and having statues for people who participated in mass murder is bizarre and they should be tossed in the nearest river. Or copy what they are doing in the US in removing statues of Confederate Generals who waged a war in defence of slavery.

Even with the American statues, i agree with the removal of some such as Bedford Forrest who was the first Grand Wizard of the KKK , but I do not agree with the removal of Lee who was a military genius. That is my personal choice of course, i would protest for the removal of Bedford Forrest and against the removal of Lee, but that is democratic protest in action.

Take each on its merits , but the right to protest should be sacrosanct.

 

[Rascal]

Scruffy cnts on a day out from Hebden Bridge and Chorlton, time out from their day time jobs of unicorn painting and yoga classes.

Organise a protest in Chorlton then against Yoga classes and Unicorn painting and I would support your right to protest.

 

[ganganvince]

Heard it all now

M25 climate protesters demand motorway speed limit reduction

Insulate Britain has written to National Highways asking for speed limits to be reduced as 'major disruption' will be taking place

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Heard it all now

M25 climate protesters demand motorway speed limit reduction

Insulate Britain has written to National Highways asking for speed limits to be reduced as 'major disruption' will be taking place

www.walesonline.co.uk

Surely not too much to ask. Perhaps the police could bring them biscuits and a brew too or offer light hand relief?

 

[BlueMoonday]

I've not read much in to the M25 protests but can somebody please explain why the police are happy to assist the protesters with this and seem most accommodating?

If I decided to walk on to the M60 to "protest", I'd be arrested and my face will be all over the MEN. Seems like two tier policing dependant on the cause of protest.

 

[waspish]

This shite government love a distraction!

Oh if we went back to the dark Ages it wouldn’t make a slight difference because of the size of our country! It’s India China and America where the problem is and this what pisses me of with these clowns! There was bloke on the radio the other night in tears saying we need to turn the lights of NOW! Yeah mate your a clown or just thick as two short planks!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I've not read much in to the M25 protests but can somebody please explain why the police are happy to assist the protesters with this and seem most accommodating?

If I decided to walk on to the M60 to "protest", I'd be arrested and my face will be all over the MEN. Seems like two tier policing dependant on the cause of protest.

Probably because they don't want to clog up police cells with hundreds of climate change protestors if they can avoid it.

 

[Rascal]

I've not read much in to the M25 protests but can somebody please explain why the police are happy to assist the protesters with this and seem most accommodating?

If I decided to walk on to the M60 to "protest", I'd be arrested and my face will be all over the MEN. Seems like two tier policing dependant on the cause of protest.

What would you be arrested for?

 

[BlueMoonday]

It is

What would you be arrested for?

It is illegal to walk on a motorway, see highway code rules 272.

Any justification as to why ambulances should be held up?

 

[117 M34]

Whilst I agree with the premise of climate change protests, they are going about it all wrong.
Firstly, there could be someone going to hospital in an emergency situation such as woman in labour and they are blocking the road.
They are pissing people off so turning people against them rather than gaining support and I would think the best way to create change is get as many people on their side as possible to pressure the government.
Also, if they are always on the m25, people will use alternative, longer routes to avoid possible delays to their journey, thus increasing pollution.

 

[Rascal]

It is illegal to walk on a motorway, see highway code rules 272.

These protestors feel so strongly they are prepared to be arrested, protestors throughout history have. Think Peterloo , the Suffragettes, Greenham Common. If you felt strongly about something would you be prepared to be arrested? I think I would if it was a protest against Fascism or against Nuclear weapons.

Any justification as to why ambulances should be held up?

The protestors obviously feel that it is justified, I cant speak for them, but if I was protesting against the two things I feel strongly about then yes I think it would be justified.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It is

It is illegal to walk on a motorway, see highway code rules 272.

Any justification as to why ambulances should be held up?

Highway code itself isn't actually law, it is set of plain English rules backed up by traffic laws.

The offence would be obstruction of the highway but the supreme Court have said that protest can be a valid defence.

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[i kne albert davy]

What would you be arrested for?

Maybe because it's illegal to walk on a motorway except in emergency's.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Maybe because it's illegal to walk on a motorway except in emergency's.

See the post above yours.

 

[i kne albert davy]

See the post above yours.

Motorway offences - Rose & Dunn

The law: Road Traffic Act 1988, s.143 A number of offences can be committed which are specific to the motorway:…

www.rosedunn.co.uk

It's the law just as speeding or drunk driving.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Motorway offences - Rose & Dunn

The law: Road Traffic Act 1988, s.143 A number of offences can be committed which are specific to the motorway:…

www.rosedunn.co.uk

It's the law just as speeding or drunk driving.

Did you read the indy article?

No one is disputing that it is an offence, but the highest court in the land has said that in some circumstances protest is a valid lawful excuse and a complete defence.

If @BlueMoonday did wander onto the motorway alone, even with a sign and started to protest. I would expect he would be arrested.

It is quite different from an orchestrated protest designed to cause disruption (and attract maximum publicity) but planned in such a way as to avoid directly causing road traffic accidents.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Did you read the indy article?

No one is disputing that it is an offence, but the highest court in the land has said that in some circumstances protest is a valid lawful excuse and a complete defence.

If @BlueMoonday did wander onto the motorway alone, even with a sign and started to protest. I would expect he would be arrested.

It is quite different from an orchestrated protest designed to cause disruption (and attract maximum publicity) but planned in such a way as to avoid directly causing road traffic accidents.

I'm all for bringing attention to climate change, the sad thing is blocking motorway's probably causes more pollution. All the insulation in the world ain't going to make a jot of difference if we don't address the real problem that, there's just to many of us.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'm all for bringing attention to climate change, the sad thing is blocking motorway's probably causes more pollution. All the insulation in the world ain't going to make a jot of difference if we don't address the real problem that, there's just to many of us.

*too many. :)

Perhaps but it's not for the courts to decide on the merits of the cause merely to make a judgment on whether they are genuinely held and whether the actions were proportionate enough to fall within the scope of lawful excuse to offences commited.