All Time Top 1100 Albums (Aerosmith - Big Ones) P265

Well I've given it another go.
Good God it's horrendous.

Fair play if you actually like it, but to me it just sounds awful. If it were on the other thread I would have to keep quiet, for fear of offending whoever picked it.

But it's not, so fuck it, its not often I hear music that I instantly dismiss as shite, and even less often do I feel the need to comment on it. Shite is shite, and this is up there with the shitest of shitery.

The singer can't sing, the guitars are average, and the messages they are trying to portray are laughable at best. If I didn't know better I'd think this was a parody band.

Now I don't mind an assault of the senses, a massive wall of sound, energy, enthusiasm and commitment, when it's done properly, it's fucking brilliant, (motorhead spring to mind here) but what I do object to is piss taking.

It's bad, really bad. One of the worst records I've ever had the displeasure of wasting my time on. I can't even think of a single positive.
Ok the cover is pretty good, I liked the picture when I first saw it, little did I know that just a short time later I'd imagine it was my fist and the singers face.
1/10 and that's being generous.
 
Well this is something different!

I think this album is another contender for him making the list too long!

Funnily enough though, in the early to mid 90s I was mainly an indie kid but I did sometimes venture into metal for something a bit different. For some reason, I seemed to go "full metal" and Paintera were my go to band. I never liked any metal really unless it was practically thrash! I honestly don't know why but I never liked anything like Guns n Roses, Van Halen, Megadeth etc - it had to be hard and fast. Pantera, Slayer and Motorhead as well as Disorder from the Judgement Night soundtrack were pretty much the only metal I liked

I LOVED Walk, F**cking Hostile and This Love haha! I still know all the words to Walk and F**king Hostile to this day!! I spent most of my time listening to 60s and 70s classic rock, Beck, Bjork, Portishead, Underworld, Goldie and of course Britpop....but sometimes you need to make your head bleed and that's what Pantera do. It's full on, edge of your seat raw, vicious power which is designed to make you feel fired up. If I was going into a boxing ring, I would smash the opponent's head in if I walked out to F**king Hostile haha!

So, as I've got older I've not heard this for a long time so I'm kind of coming to it with fresh ears. And it's dated. And a bit panto and slightly childish in parts! The production is good, but it's a bit too clean too.

All that said, the 4 songs I loved still sound pretty raw and powerful. It's a testament to them that 30 years later it's still like a hammer to your ears! The rest of the album is fine, for it's genre, and it's not a genre I like. But I liked getting punched in the face from the music - the album cover sums this album up. That's exactly what it sounds like.

Overall, it's Friday afternoon and it was nice to hear it again.

7/10
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
Well this is something different!

I think this album is another contender for him making the list too long!

Funnily enough though, in the early to mid 90s I was mainly an indie kid but I did sometimes venture into metal for something a bit different. For some reason, I seemed to go "full metal" and Paintera were my go to band. I never liked any metal really unless it was practically thrash! I honestly don't know why but I never liked anything like Guns n Roses, Van Halen, Megadeth etc - it had to be hard and fast. Pantera, Slayer and Motorhead as well as Disorder from the Judgement Night soundtrack were pretty much the only metal I liked

I LOVED Walk, F**cking Hostile and This Love haha! I still know all the words to Walk and F**king Hostile to this day!! I spent most of my time listening to 60s and 70s classic rock, Beck, Bjork, Portishead, Underworld, Goldie and of course Britpop....but sometimes you need to make your head bleed and that's what Pantera do. It's full on, edge of your seat raw, vicious power which is designed to make you feel fired up. If I was going into a boxing ring, I would smash the opponent's head in if I walked out to F**king Hostile haha!

So, as I've got older I've not heard this for a long time so I'm kind of coming to it with fresh ears. And it's dated. And a bit panto and slightly childish in parts! The production is good, but it's a bit too clean too.

All that said, the 4 songs I loved still sound pretty raw and powerful. It's a testament to them that 30 years later it's still like a hammer to your ears! The rest of the album is fine, for it's genre, and it's not a genre I like. But I liked getting punched in the face from the music - the album cover sums this album up. That's exactly what it sounds like.

Overall, it's Friday afternoon and it was nice to hear it again.

7/10
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Fair play mate, enjoyed reading why you like it, nicely put. We all have albums that are dear to us, and it can be hard when someone slags it off.
I like a lot of the bands you referenced, and I fully understand when you say you need that one band to make "your head bleed"
These would do it, no doubt!
 
crublue1 said:
Fair play mate, enjoyed reading why you like it, nicely put. We all have albums that are dear to us, and it can be hard when someone slags it off.
I like a lot of the bands you referenced, and I fully understand when you say you need that one band to make "your head bleed"
These would do it, no doubt!
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Haha yes it's not one to listen to for a quiet listen!!

I think Motorhead struck a fine balance of melody, raw power with a rock n roll sound. They aren't - to me - metal, but Pantera are unabashed metal.

It's nice to hear something I've not listened to for probably 15 years or so... I'm probably too old for it now, but it's still good to get your head caved in once in a while :)
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
Haha yes it's not one to listen to for a quiet listen!!

I think Motorhead struck a fine balance of melody, raw power with a rock n roll sound. They aren't - to me - metal, but Pantera are unabashed metal.

It's nice to hear something I've not listened to for probably 15 years or so... I'm probably too old for it now, but it's still good to get your head caved in once in a while :)
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Absolutely mate, nothing wrong with that at all, and if these are your go to band, then fair enough, to be fair, this is the only pantera I've ever listened to, the other stuff might be brilliant for all I know, I can only judge what's in front of me.
You're right of course, motorhead aren't metal, never were, I used them as an example of how loud, thrashy rock can also stir the soul. Even lemmy described motorhead as a rock n roll band.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
It's nice to hear something I've not listened to for probably 15 years or so... I'm probably too old for it now, but it's still good to get your head caved in once in a while :)
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This is me just trying to understand your point of view. Surely there are bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana that would fulfil your need for something loud, hard and heavy? I know it's each to their own and all that, but there's just such a lack of melody or empathy or anything on this that I struggle to understand how anybody could engage with it.
 
RobMCFC said:
This is me just trying to understand your point of view. Surely there are bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana that would fulfil your need for something loud, hard and heavy? I know it's each to their own and all that, but there's just such a lack of melody or empathy or anything on this that I struggle to understand how anybody could engage with it.
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Not to answer for Mr shin but sometimes we pick an album up early in our lives and it stays with us, however bad other people think it is.
I've got several, as I'm sure have many others
 
RobMCFC said:
This is me just trying to understand your point of view. Surely there are bands like Soundgarden and Nirvana that would fulfil your need for something loud, hard and heavy? I know it's each to their own and all that, but there's just such a lack of melody or empathy or anything on this that I struggle to understand how anybody could engage with it.
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It's hard for me to explain as I don't like the genre either haha!!

Nirvana and Soundgarden are superb and can provide that hard and loud sound. But if you want to push it harder, faster, louder, nastier and just plain angrier you get Pantera! It's difficult to explain but I think the the melody is there, but it's not obvious. It's in the riffs really but part of the hook is his OTT vocal which is partly why I think it's panto at times!

If you want to feel angry, vicious and fired up and want your head to get caved in, this album does it! I don't know why I like(d) it as I never got into fights, but it's fighting music haha.

If you were playing for City against United and it's 0-0 and we needed to win to win the PL....and we get a corner....you can pick a tune to listen to before you charge into the box at full pelt, this is what you go for haha!
 
crublue1 said:
Not to answer for Mr shin but sometimes we pick an album up early in our lives and it stays with us, however bad other people think it is.
I've got several, as I'm sure have many others
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Yes, I get that. If somebody were to say they liked Leo Sayer (random example) fair enough. Not my cup of tea, not my kind of music. But he can sing, knock out a nice tune, I get it. Let's take another example - Suede - can't stand them myself and Brett Anderson has got to be in with a shout as one of the 10 singers I'd put on my personal excruciating voices list. But again, I can understand why somebody might like their music.

But with a band like Pantera, it's music that is set up to disturb your ears. It's aggressive and unpleasant and I'd have a hard time listening to that kind of music for longer than a few songs.

I like a bit of aggression in the vocals sometimes and some heavy guitars, but surely it's got to be backed up with a bit of melody somewhere, otherwise what's the point?

I'm not having a go at Mr Goater, who's a thoughtful poster, just trying to understand the attraction, that's all.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
It's hard for me to explain as I don't like the genre either haha!!

Nirvana and Soundgarden are superb and can provide that hard and loud sound. But if you want to push it harder, faster, louder, nastier and just plain angrier you get Pantera! It's difficult to explain but I think the the melody is there, but it's not obvious. It's in the riffs really but part of the hook is his OTT vocal which is partly why I think it's panto at times!

If you want to feel angry, vicious and fired up and want your head to get caved in, this album does it! I don't know why I like(d) it as I never got into fights, but it's fighting music haha.

If you were playing for City against United and it's 0-0 and we needed to win to win the PL....and we get a corner....you can pick a tune to listen to before you charge into the box at full pelt, this is what you go for haha!
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Sorry, our posts overlapped. Thanks for the explanation. Maybe it's just that we all have a different level for how aggressive something sounds. Charging into the box at full pelt with Van Halen's "Jump", Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger," Soundgarden's "My Wave" or a whole host of Midnight Oil would be enough for me!
 
RobMCFC said:
Yes, I get that. If somebody were to say they liked Leo Sayer (random example) fair enough. Not my cup of tea, not my kind of music. But he can sing, knock out a nice tune, I get it. Let's take another example - Suede - can't stand them myself and Brett Anderson has got to be in with a shout as one of the 10 singers I'd put on my personal excruciating voices list. But again, I can understand why somebody might like their music.

But with a band like Pantera, it's music that is set up to disturb your ears. It's aggressive and unpleasant and I'd have a hard time listening to that kind of music for longer than a few songs.

I like a bit of aggression in the vocals sometimes and some heavy guitars, but surely it's got to be backed up with a bit of melody somewhere, otherwise what's the point?

I'm not having a go at Mr Goater, who's a thoughtful poster, just trying to understand the attraction, that's all.
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it’s what makes Music great though

some people ‘get’a certain genre of Music. Others don’t.

I watched a few of Pantera’s concerts whilst studying this Album - their fans absolutely love them - rocking away, know every lyric and having the time of their lives.

that’s why I feel slightly uncomfortable when someone dismisses a artist/band on a first listen - a lot of these acts mean the world to people during their heyday.

first listen I was like ‘what on earth is this’ but more and more chances, I knew when the riffs and solos were coming and it just grows on you.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
it’s what makes Music great though

some people ‘get’a certain genre of Music. Others don’t.

I watched a few of Pantera’s concerts whilst studying this Album - their fans absolutely love them - rocking away, know every lyric and having the time of their lives.

that’s why I feel slightly uncomfortable when someone dismisses a artist/band on a first listen - a lot of these acts mean the world to people during their heyday.

first listen I was like ‘what on earth is this’ but more and more chances, I knew when the riffs and solos were coming and it just grows on you.
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Yes I get that, some of my favourite albums are the ones that took the longest time to fully appreciate.
But sometimes, not often, there comes along an album so bad that if you were left alone on a desert island with a gramaphone and just this LP for company, you'd use the gramaphone for firewood and the disc to eat your crab off.
 
crublue1 said:
Yes I get that, some of my favourite albums are the ones that took the longest time to fully appreciate.
But sometimes, not often, there comes along an album so bad that if you were left alone on a desert island with a gramaphone and just this LP for company, you'd use the gramaphone for firewood and the disc to eat your crab off.
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You could make an ashtray out of the disc. How many ashtrays do desert islands have? Or a frisby...although...not much fun on your own. Don't burn the gramophone though...sell that on eBay and buy some decent albums. oh...
 
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