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paulsimpson said:
Webster’s dictionary includes a definition of religion with a nontheistic meaning: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”Atheists hold a worldview that fits this definition becuse they have a cause to promote, a naturalistic system of beliefs, and hold them with vigour and faith. So, as ardently held ,atheistic humanism, by definition, is a religion.
More recently, a US District Court in the 2014 case American Humanist Association v. US, concerning First Amendment’s provision against establishing a state church, that “secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes.” The U.S. courts recognize that secular humanism works as a religion


Also, according to atheism evolution is an explanation of where everything came from: the cosmos (came out of nothing at the big bang—nothing exploded and became everything) that is what Atheism espouses. Matter comes into being uncaused on atheism. Then they assert (using their own definition of faith ) that the laws of chemistry, physics and biology were once violated and life arose from non-life via chemical evolution. So things ( matter) must pop into being uncaused . Then miraculously molecules come alive and become men over timeless endless ages impossible to be observed ; these are beliefs not based in empirical science, hence humanity’s place in the cosmos is being just another species of animal. Some have gone so far as to say that humanity is a parasite on earth, and advocate killing up to 90% of humanity.
Atheists believe they cease to exist after they die, but how can this belief be proven?
Atheists believe no God exists, but can they prove this tenet, unless they possess all knowledge? Since nobody could ever prove the nonexistence of God (unless that person had all knowledge -omniscience), atheism has to be a faith system and one with widely shared tenets.
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The vast majority of people will be in the agnostic section.

Me included, in the couldn’t give less of a shit whether god exists or not subsection.
 
paulsimpson said:
Webster’s dictionary includes a definition of religion with a nontheistic meaning: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”Atheists hold a worldview that fits this definition becuse they have a cause to promote, a naturalistic system of beliefs, and hold them with vigour and faith. So, as ardently held ,atheistic humanism, by definition, is a religion.
More recently, a US District Court in the 2014 case American Humanist Association v. US, concerning First Amendment’s provision against establishing a state church, that “secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes.” The U.S. courts recognize that secular humanism works as a religion


Also, according to atheism evolution is an explanation of where everything came from: the cosmos (came out of nothing at the big bang—nothing exploded and became everything) that is what Atheism espouses. Matter comes into being uncaused on atheism. Then they assert (using their own definition of faith ) that the laws of chemistry, physics and biology were once violated and life arose from non-life via chemical evolution. So things ( matter) must pop into being uncaused . Then miraculously molecules come alive and become men over timeless endless ages impossible to be observed ; these are beliefs not based in empirical science, hence humanity’s place in the cosmos is being just another species of animal. Some have gone so far as to say that humanity is a parasite on earth, and advocate killing up to 90% of humanity.
Atheists believe they cease to exist after they die, but how can this belief be proven?
Atheists believe no God exists, but can they prove this tenet, unless they possess all knowledge? Since nobody could ever prove the nonexistence of God (unless that person had all knowledge -omniscience), atheism has to be a faith system and one with widely shared tenets.
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Atheism and the theory of evolution are not "linked" by academia nor spiritual belief.

They are two completely separate thoughts. You can be a Christian and accept the theory of evolution.

I'm not interested in having an existential debate with you about the afterlife or how Christians or those of faith interpret such eventualities. Your opinion on Atheism appears to be based entirely from an opposing view from one who has 'faith' in a higher being. Atheism is the rejection of such beliefs. For example I don't believe that I can walk on water, unaided. This does not mean I have formed a 'religion' from this 'belief'.

Atheism isn't just the rejection of the Abrahemic God, but of the HIndu and Mythological Gods in equal measure.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The vast majority of people will be in the agnostic section.

Me included, in the couldn’t give less of a shit whether god exists or not subsection.
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Well for some it doesn't take much to be agnostic. All one has to do is admit a-gnosis - not knowing- genuine ignorance as nobody could ever prove the nonexistence of God (unless that person had all knowledge -omniscience) so agnosticism like atheism has to be a faith system. Both are closely aligned .

Maybe writing that you do not" give less of a a sh1t " tells me that you may give some thought to this topic?
It often involves weighing up probabilities because the quest for full knowledge is always there and needs resolution. I know some medical doctors who say outwardly they are agnostic but that it's just a cloak to protect them in the secularist humanist totalitarian environment they work in where they dare not look at the perceived complexities and mind boggling precision of the human body and admit it to be designed. So they sit on the fence publicly while staying quiet about their belief. Its safe to be agnostic otherwise they'll lose their jobs which shows the politics involved. That's how much the atheist secularist regime cancels speech.
Many atheistic leaning agnostics are in a majority anyway so they need not worry about being harassed such is the almost cultic type culture engendered by the secularist lobby.
 
paulsimpson said:
Well for some it doesn't take much to be agnostic. All one has to do is admit a-gnosis - not knowing- genuine ignorance as nobody could ever prove the nonexistence of God (unless that person had all knowledge -omniscience) so agnosticism like atheism has to be a faith system. Both are closely aligned .

Maybe writing that you do not" give less of a a sh1t " tells me that you may give some thought to this topic?
It often involves weighing up probabilities because the quest for full knowledge is always there and needs resolution. I know some medical doctors who say outwardly they are agnostic but that it's just a cloak to protect them in the secularist humanist totalitarian environment they work in where they dare not look at the perceived complexities and mind boggling precision of the human body and admit it to be designed. So they sit on the fence publicly while staying quiet about their belief. Its safe to be agnostic otherwise they'll lose their jobs which shows the politics involved. That's how much the atheist secularist regime cancels speech.
Many atheistic leaning agnostics are in a majority anyway so they need not worry about being harassed such is the almost cultic type culture engendered by the secularist lobby.
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The question isn’t answerable. We will find out one way or the other when we die.

I’m not going to spend my life debating the existence of a higher power.

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Mëtal Bikër said:
Atheism and the theory of evolution are not "linked" by academia nor spiritual belief.
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Countries that were once mainly Christian in outlook have become secular (atheistic) in their public institutions. This is because atheism is very closely linked to evolution. In fact evolution is the basis for modern atheism.

This explains why atheists are at the forefront of getting evolution taught without competition in schools and universities.

How has this happened? I think there are several reasons.

The invention by atheists of a creation myth that allowed for aggressive atheism : This is cosmic evolution - God did not create; the universe made itself. I think and assume correctly that the vast majority of secularist atheists such as yourself believe Man invented God and the 'truth' is that the Universe created itself : cosmic evolution.
Before Darwin, the only option for someone who did not want Jesus as his Creator and Saviour was deism, belief in an unknowable creator-deity, as opposed to the God of the Bible.
But after Darwin atheism started to flourish. This explains why atheists are at the forefront of getting evolution taught without competition in schools and universities. They want their secular view promoted by the state and hold on to it dearly as in a religion.
They also cannot have an exterior spiritual higher power as basis for rules and objective morality. They must have that power to themselves in order to support the myth.

Their materialistic creation myth took over the universities because it appealed to the intellectual pride that thrives in institutions—"man determines his destiny, not God."And in general teachers, politicians, government bureaucrats, journalists, and judges got their ‘higher’ education in these places.

Evolutionism then invaded the public school system, because new generations of teachers had been trained in the evolutionised (secular) universities. Helping this revolution were those of an atheistic view amongst the ruling elite who promoted secularism as the only ‘fair’ route for taxpayer-funded government institutions .
Disapproval was easily squashed by appealing to the ‘experts’ (on education, law, science, sociology, etc.) at the universities. All effective methods used to impose atheism as the state religion particularly in the US. Britain has a similar effect in place.
Atheists have been very actively promoting their views (secularism) at every level of society, but especially in academia, politics, and the media.
Any atheist who denies the links to evolutionist,materialist ideology is either misinformed or wittingly promoting disinformation .
 
paulsimpson said:
Countries that were once mainly Christian in outlook have become secular (atheistic) in their public institutions. This is because atheism is very closely linked to evolution. In fact evolution is the basis for modern atheism.

This explains why atheists are at the forefront of getting evolution taught without competition in schools and universities.

How has this happened? I think there are several reasons.

The invention by atheists of a creation myth that allowed for aggressive atheism : This is cosmic evolution - God did not create; the universe made itself. I think and assume correctly that the vast majority of secularist atheists such as yourself believe Man invented God and the 'truth' is that the Universe created itself : cosmic evolution.
Before Darwin, the only option for someone who did not want Jesus as his Creator and Saviour was deism, belief in an unknowable creator-deity, as opposed to the God of the Bible.
But after Darwin atheism started to flourish. This explains why atheists are at the forefront of getting evolution taught without competition in schools and universities. They want their secular view promoted by the state and hold on to it dearly as in a religion.
They also cannot have an exterior spiritual higher power as basis for rules and objective morality. They must have that power to themselves in order to support the myth.

Their materialistic creation myth took over the universities because it appealed to the intellectual pride that thrives in institutions—"man determines his destiny, not God."And in general teachers, politicians, government bureaucrats, journalists, and judges got their ‘higher’ education in these places.

Evolutionism then invaded the public school system, because new generations of teachers had been trained in the evolutionised (secular) universities. Helping this revolution were those of an atheistic view amongst the ruling elite who promoted secularism as the only ‘fair’ route for taxpayer-funded government institutions .
Disapproval was easily squashed by appealing to the ‘experts’ (on education, law, science, sociology, etc.) at the universities. All effective methods used to impose atheism as the state religion particularly in the US. Britain has a similar effect in place.
Atheists have been very actively promoting their views (secularism) at every level of society, but especially in academia, politics, and the media.
Any atheist who denies the links to evolutionist,materialist ideology is either misinformed or wittingly promoting disinformation .
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"I think..."

So it's just your opinion then. Just like it's only your (wrong) opinion that Atheism is a 'religion'.

It isn't.
 
paulsimpson said:
That's taking a big risk Al. Rascal's wager comes to mind .
All the best
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Rascal's Wager

Why not disbelieve. Just in case an all-knowing, all-seeing God sees you for being a hypocrite who only pretends to believe "just in case"?

He chose Rascal's Wager instead of Pascal's Wager because he didn't want to anger any gods by pretending to believe in them since, if they existed, they would know he was pretending.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
"I think..."

So it's just your opinion then. Just like it's only your (wrong) opinion that Atheism is a 'religion'.

It isn't.
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The link exists between Atheism and cosmic evolutionist religion which I've shown. Quite clearly you refuse to acknowledge that when atheists openly admit it. As atheistic philosopher Michael Ruse says, “evolution is a religion”, and it is considered the narrative/ story dimension of Atheism. Thus teaching evolution is teaching Atheism.
As for ' I think ' it doesn't necessarily mean opinion. I assumed correctly.
You think, so you trust your thoughts. But why should you trust your thoughts. .The atheist thinks in error because even though he thinks evolution created everything ,a random chance process cant produce anything. Thoughts would be a product of random chance processes so you couldn't trust them. Not on atheistic evolution. So Contradiction and incoherence.

Also you seem to be a guy who likes to think. Thought, knowledge ( science ) language ,mathematics, objectivity, uniformity in nature and even the emergence of modern politics, education,medicine, Internet, business ,law etc are all based on laws of logic which are eternal, immutable,existent from the beginning. They are everlasting. These laws do not arise in matter spontaneously nor are they created or made up. They are not caused themselves as they are immaterial and don't stand in causal relations. and indeed are the basis or foundation of all thought. But the atheist uses these to speak ,to think ,to write etc . Yet he has no foundation or basis for these eternal laws one of which is the Law of non contradiction.
 
paulsimpson said:
Correlation ties it to a belief system.

And the ad hominem remark is a weakness in your position
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… and yet a simple Google reveals many religious people who believe in evolution:
Eg
biologos.org

Famous Christians Who Believed Evolution is Compatible with Christian Faith - BioLogos

The list includes some of the most influential Christians of the last 150 years, such as Billy Graham and C.S. Lewis.
biologos.org biologos.org

So, you’re saying they all believe in
Religion
And
Evolution
And
Atheism

all at the same time?
Surely not.
 
JASR said:
… and yet a simple Google reveals many religious people who believe in evolution:
Eg
biologos.org

Famous Christians Who Believed Evolution is Compatible with Christian Faith - BioLogos

The list includes some of the most influential Christians of the last 150 years, such as Billy Graham and C.S. Lewis.
biologos.org biologos.org

So, you’re saying they all believe in
Religion
And
Evolution
And
Atheism

all at the same time?
Surely not.
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They are all forms of religion and require belief of some sort
 
paulsimpson said:
They are all forms of religion and require belief of some sort
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Years ago, I had a very similar discussion/ argument with a 'famed' poster on here about the correlation of the belief system of science and religion, that they are very much the same coin but with two different sides.

I'm not getting into the nitty gritty of what aspects of what is argued here, but mine was about the overarching parallels of the two.

Keep fighting your corner and I'm glad you're not dragged down in the gutter with the expletives, like I can be.

I just fight fire with fire.
 
paulsimpson said:
Touched a nerve did I? Ad hominem remarks demonstrate intimidation but have nothing substantive by way of argument. Atheism is intertwined with cosmic evolution and has its huge influences on political life in the US and worldwide.

Lying is objectively immoral. The atheist has no way of knowing whether anything is objectively wrong. On his worldview since there's no Ultimate guarantor to objective values and duties he has no basis for an objective morality since every act is relative/ subjective , in his worldview No God, everything and anything is permissible .
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Ahh the old "without God, a person can have no morals" argument.

Atheists don't require an imaginary sky fairy to guide their morals, nor do they need the 'reward' of a 'spiritual afterlife' to ensure they stick to those morals. It could then be argued that the ONLY reason you have 'morals' is because you fear God in the afterlife and what will happen to you if you don't.

It's that sort of self-righteous arrogance that provokes such responses from people and it is quite obvious that you have very little understanding of what it means to be an Atheist and shouldn't lecture others believing that you do, because that would be lying.
 
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