A thread about protesters

[BobKowalski]

It banned them from blocking roads and basically causing mayhem.

They could have stood on the pavement or marched and sent their message and garnered far more sympathy for their cause from the public but instead, they disobeyed a court injunction.

Message lost and now criminals and time inside to boot.

Disruption is part and parcel of most protests. Roads are routinely blocked to allow peaceful protests and marches.

This is the State criminalising a specific peaceful protest and imprisoning the people taking part. As with the police steaming into the women holding a vigil for Sarah Everard, it’s about picking on easy targets.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The injunction banned them from making a peaceful protest. They effectively criminalised peaceful protests.

Diddums.
Take heart, one of them has gone on hunger strike, very Bobby Sands, you'll love it.

 

[blueinsa]

Disruption is part and parcel of most protests. Roads are routinely blocked to allow peaceful protests and marches.

This is the State criminalising a specific peaceful protest and imprisoning the people taking part. As with the police steaming into the women holding a vigil for Sarah Everard, it’s about picking on easy targets.

The imprisonment today of several protesters is 100% about them ignoring a court injunction.

 

[mat]

Have the Tories have used this protest to ban any form of peaceful protest?

 

[Thornliebank]

I’ll have more respect for these protestors when they start sitting down on Chinese motorways. Or obstructing the rainforest loggers. Until then, it’s all virtue signalling and patting themself on the back.

 

[BobKowalski]

The imprisonment today of several protesters is 100% about them ignoring a court injunction.

Yes. The State criminalised a specific form of peaceful protest and then imprisoned people for continuing the peaceful protest.

Here’s the thing. These protests were a nuisance and inconveniencing a very small number of people. The protests were about insulating UK homes, a laudable cause especially for a Govt that just hosted COP 26, is committed to tackling climate change (admittedly this is Johnson, so every chance he was lying and bandwagoning), and is looking at things like heat pumps to replace traditional boilers. The thing about heat pumps, and indeed heating homes as whole, is that insulating UK homes is a key strategy and our response to those campaigning to insulate UK homes is to imprison them?

Now either the insulate protests fizzle out, or, as is more likely, they ramp up, but the focus will be on those imprisoned as much as anything, and if they go on hunger strike, as @Ancient Citizen informs us, then you have added impetus to a cause the Govt obviously supports.

Does this strike anyone as a sensible course of action?

 

[BobKowalski]

I’ll have more respect for these protestors when they start sitting down on Chinese motorways. Or obstructing the rainforest loggers. Until then, it’s all virtue signalling and patting themself on the back.

Again, the protest is about insulating UK homes. These are homes in the UK. This country. The country the protestors live in.

How much more of a fucking clue do people need?

 

[blueinsa]

These protests were a nuisance and inconveniencing a very small number of people.

The M25 in morning rush hour morphing into a single track road with a few sheep grazing at its side is complete.

 

[BobKowalski]

The M25 in morning rush hour morphing into a single track road with a few sheep grazing at its side is complete.

That is the M25 most mornings. But I note your inability to answer the points raised.

 

[blueinsa]

That is the M25 most mornings. But I note your inability to answer the points raised.

Im not arguing the merits behind any campaign to insulate our homes better or to install heat pumps, I agree completely on those points.

Im saying the way they went about it was stupid, got the publics backs up rather than support and led to the law and the courts getting involved.

At that point, they ignored the courts, broke the law and will now sit in prison.

Rightly so.

 

[BobKowalski]

Im not arguing the merits behind any campaign to insulate our homes better or to install heat pumps, I agree completely on those points.

Im saying the way they went about it was stupid, got the publics backs up rather than support and led to the law and the courts getting involved.

At that point, they ignored the courts, broke the law and will now sit in prison.

Rightly so.

And that’s the weird thing. No one can articulate a case against insulating homes, yet this form of protest seems to enrage some people beyond all reason. People wanting them hurt/maimed or killed. Now we are celebrating them going to prison/hunger strike. And all for a cause there is no rationale reason to oppose.

You think they were rightly sent to prison. Do you think peacefully obstructing traffic for a few hours is a prisonable offence?

 

[blueinsa]

And that’s the weird thing. No one can articulate a case against insulating homes, yet this form of protest seems to enrage some people beyond all reason. People wanting them hurt/maimed or killed. Now we are celebrating them going to prison/hunger strike. And all for a cause there is no rationale reason to oppose.

You think they were rightly sent to prison. Do you think peacefully obstructing traffic for a few hours is a prisonable offence?

I will answer the last bit because it is relevant to my original post.

Yes, they have defied a court injunction and broke the law.

Whoever came up with the idea that blocking junctions of major roads and motorways would get their message across and garner public support wants shagging.

Time for them and our government to go about it in a much more productive way.

 

[lazerblue]

Yes. The State criminalised a specific form of peaceful protest and then imprisoned people for continuing the peaceful protest.

Here’s the thing. These protests were a nuisance and inconveniencing a very small number of people. The protests were about insulating UK homes, a laudable cause especially for a Govt that just hosted COP 26, is committed to tackling climate change (admittedly this is Johnson, so every chance he was lying and bandwagoning), and is looking at things like heat pumps to replace traditional boilers. The thing about heat pumps, and indeed heating homes as whole, is that insulating UK homes is a key strategy and our response to those campaigning to insulate UK homes is to imprison them?

Now either the insulate protests fizzle out, or, as is more likely, they ramp up, but the focus will be on those imprisoned as much as anything, and if they go on hunger strike, as @Ancient Citizen informs us, then you have added impetus to a cause the Govt obviously supports.

Does this strike anyone as a sensible course of action?

There's been grants towards insulation for homes for ages, had mine done years ago, so what are they actually protesting about

 

[mat]

If the Tolpuddle Martyrs were alive today...

 

[hilts]

I will answer the last bit because it is relevant to my original post.

Yes, they have defied a court injunction and broke the law.

Whoever came up with the idea that blocking junctions of major roads and motorways would get their message across and garner public support wants shagging.

Time for them and our government to go about it in a much more productive way.

You cannot argue that the message did indeed come across because of their actions, those who got arsed about it are not the audience because let’s face it the country is full of apathetic selfish arseholes.

This government go about it in a more productive manner? This government without a push? By their own volition?

Haha that must be a joke.

 

[Octavian]

Whoever came up with the idea that blocking junctions of major roads and motorways would get their message across and garner public support wants shagging.

It was me!

Now send in Scarlett Johansson.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And that’s the weird thing. No one can articulate a case against insulating homes, yet this form of protest seems to enrage some people beyond all reason. People wanting them hurt/maimed or killed. Now we are celebrating them going to prison/hunger strike. And all for a cause there is no rationale reason to oppose.

You think they were rightly sent to prison. Do you think peacefully obstructing traffic for a few hours is a prisonable offence?

This is outlandish nonsense.
Nobody can articulate a case against deforestation. pollution, the poisoning of oceans, overpopulation and a thousand other blights that affect us all.
What these idiots demand is their particular niche gripe be
addressed immediately, and they're prepared to cause misery, are totally unconcerned about Emergencies or risk of death to the ordinary public, and refused umpteen times to obey court orders, rightly imposed by the courts.
So, it's off to chokey they went.

 

[blueinsa]

You cannot argue that the message did indeed come across because of their actions, those who got arsed about it are not the audience because let’s face it the country is full of apathetic selfish arseholes.

This government go about it in a more productive manner? This government without a push? By their own volition?

Haha that must be a joke.

Id argue they got it highlighted for a few weeks, negatively and that’s it.

No one discussed the issue of poorly insulated homes during that time or the need to switch to alternatives to heat our homes, they spoke of the growing anger with a handful of protesters which led to the courts getting involved.

It’s yesterdays chip paper, they need to alter their protest because blocking roads doesn’t and never will work.

 

[hilts]

Id argue they got it highlighted for a few weeks, negatively and that’s it.

No one discussed the issue of poorly insulated homes during that time or the need to switch to alternatives to heat our homes, they spoke of the growing anger with a handful of protesters which led to the courts getting involved.

It’s yesterdays chip paper, they need to alter their protest because blocking roads doesn’t and never will work.

People did discuss poorly insulated homes. I can only presume you were in Peru. If your gonna lie I don't think we need to discuss things further.

 

[inbetween]

That would be theft which is a criminal offence.

Also, the number of people being held up on their way to see their dying loved ones is astonishing. I mean, what are the odds?

Blocking the road is a criminal offence so I don't see the difference? The government didn't need an injunction because the law already exists as part of the highways act. The police chose not to apply that law initially however an injunction changes things because breaking the conditions of an injunction is something else entirely.

If you consider the law different in different cases then actually you're not interested in protecting the rights of protesters, instead you're only really interested in protecting the right to anarchy.

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