Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
That is the solution. If we need more beds and staff then they need to sort it out. With an ageing population anyway, demand for hospital beds will increase over time anyway, pandemic or no pandemic.
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And then we cross into policies such as immigration, education etc to help make the required staffing levels, the whole thing needs sorting.
 
Healdplace said:
BBC playing the data down. Not the really good news we were hoping for they say. Only 10% reduction. They say. Really?
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Not on BBC website. It mentions between 30 and 70% reduction.


The wave of Omicron appears to be milder according to preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa.
Early evidence suggests fewer people are needing hospital treatment than with other variants - with estimates ranging from a 30% to a 70% reduction.

www.bbc.co.uk

Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains

The risk of needing hospital treatment could be 30 - 70% lower with Omicron than other variants.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
zandvoort blue said:
The wife who is a NHS employee is currently isolating due to close contact with a family member who has tested positive. It`s NHS policy that she can not attend work until she gets a PCR test result. She`s now been waiting for 3 days for her test result and has been told not to chase it up until it passes 96 hours. She could be negative, but can`t go to work until she gets her results. The NHS is going to take a pasting, not just due Covid but due to staff shortages because of isolation.
PCR testing needs sorting out, especially in Gtr Manchester. And NHS staff should be prioritised.
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Is there not an option when you do your test to say that you’re a key worker? Friend of mine got hers back in 24 hours (nurse) where my mate took 4 days. Assumed hers was fast tracked?
 
Tonster said:
Not on BBC website. It mentions between 30 and 70% reduction.


The wave of Omicron appears to be milder according to preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa.
Early evidence suggests fewer people are needing hospital treatment than with other variants - with estimates ranging from a 30% to a 70% reduction.

www.bbc.co.uk

Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains

The risk of needing hospital treatment could be 30 - 70% lower with Omicron than other variants.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I think the news is playing it down a bit. They did mention the above too so it wasn’t all doom and gloom but they still have millions unvaccinated so I think they wanted to get the message out that the above only applies if you have had it or been double vaccinated (they dropped the booster need from this)
 
Tonster said:
Not on BBC website. It mentions between 30 and 70% reduction.


The wave of Omicron appears to be milder according to preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa.
Early evidence suggests fewer people are needing hospital treatment than with other variants - with estimates ranging from a 30% to a 70% reduction.

www.bbc.co.uk

Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains

The risk of needing hospital treatment could be 30 - 70% lower with Omicron than other variants.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Thats what I thought the data said - why I was surprised at the TV news. Maybe it was ITV. Not payng full attention.
 
Healdplace said:
BBC playing the data down. Not the really good news we were hoping for they say. Only 10% reduction. They say. Really?
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They are a disgrace.

They screamed the headline about 100K+ cases onto a push notification but no mention of deaths / hospital data. I'm sorry but they have an agenda - I don't care if that sounds paranoid there is simply no balance to their reporting. The anchor on breakfast the other day said to one of their usual talking head prophets of doom 'Of course everyone at home will be extremely worried, but how worried should they be?' Totally loaded into convincing everyone we should be hiding behind the sofa.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Is there not an option when you do your test to say that you’re a key worker? Friend of mine got hers back in 24 hours (nurse) where my mate took 4 days. Assumed hers was fast tracked?
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Afraid no option - I`m a key worker and had to have a PCR in August and got my result in 24 hours. But it would appear the current uptake in testing has spiralled based upon the size of the queue at the drive through test centre. She also has colleagues who are sat waiting on test results.
 
Healdplace said:
BBC playing the data down. Not the really good news we were hoping for they say. Only 10% reduction. They say. Really?
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Not sure which report you’re referring to but that’s for anyone with no prior immunity, so those that haven’t been vaccinated or had covid.
 
North West topped 10,000 cases for the first time today btw. Manchester was over 1000 for the second time. And Salford a new record on 629.

Greater Manchester had a record number of cases today 4587!

Half the ten boroughs have a weekly Pop score over 1000.
 
meltonblue said:
Not sure which report you’re referring to but that’s for anyone with no prior immunity, so those that haven’t been vaccinated or had covid.
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Thanks for that clarification. Not the really good news we were hoping for were the words used - whereas the report posted above seemed to me very good news. Just seemed odd to play it down. But then the media love bad news. Always have.
 
Again, it’s not cases that’s important in a majority vaccinated population, but hospitalizations and deaths.

If those are higher than before, then people will lose faith in the vaccination protocols we all undertook for our health and safety, and the looney toons who denigrated the vaccines will think they’ve been vindicated!

Immunology is hard, and the lay person simply isn’t equipped for the multi-step intellectual process that tries to explain why vaccines are a good thing, even if this new variant is spreading like wildfire and even vaccinated people might get it!

Wildfire is a good analogy, though, if you think of the vaccines as a fire suit! Would you rather stand naked before the wildfire as it sweeps across your path, in the hope that it won’t burn you, or would you rather wear a fire suit, in the same hope?

I’ve made my choice.
 
Bluewonder said:
Not sure about this.

Average Delta case hospitalisation rate was approximately 2%. Going off this research alone the Omicron case hospitalisation rate will be 0.67%.

To reach 3,000 admissions you would need 447k daily cases (3,000 ÷ 0.67%). This seems highly unlikely though of course not impossible.
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Agreed but I'm looking at bad real world data outcomes and scaling it back from there as more data becomes available.
 
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