Coronavirus (2021) thread

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M18CTID said:
You're the one who started this by having a pop at those who have had a booster despite it not adversely affecting your own quality of life in any way, shape, or form. And added to that, you've spouted a load of "Big Pharma" bollocks into the bargain. Like it or not, there will always be people making money out of situations like this. However, regarding the vaccines it's not actually a closed shop for a privileged few because every fucker in the country could theoretically make some money out of the pharmaceutical companies involved in the vaccines due to the fact that anyone is entitled to buy shares in them if they so wished.
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you're free to have your perspective. If you're not at least somewhat skeptical of American pharma given their track record then you're naive at best. It does impact on my quality of life to have restrictions imposed and see ideological vitriol sweeping across society instead of us getting on with life and moving back to normality as we should be. If you don't want it to affect quality of life, then remove masks, vaccine passports and isolation periods. If the boosters work so beautifully, then there would be no reason to defend a position where people are still under restrictions, regardless of their vaccination status.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
you're free to have your perspective. If you're not at least somewhat skeptical of American pharma given their track record then you're naive at best. It does impact on my quality of life to have restrictions imposed and see ideological vitriol sweeping across society instead of us getting on with life and moving back to normality as we should be. If you don't want it to affect quality of life, then remove masks, vaccine passports and isolation periods. If the boosters work so beautifully, then there would be no reason to defend a position where people are still under restrictions, regardless of their vaccination status.
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My name isn't Ian Brown so American pharma is way down my list of things that I'm arsed about.

The way you're banging on, you make it sound like it's a full lockdown. In the past week or so I've led a perfectly normal life for me. I was round the other half's parents for Xmas dinner, on the lash with my mates Boxing Day in the Corner Shop before going to watch City, went round my parents on the 28th, was on a train to London on the 29th for another piss-up watching City at Brentford and stayed over the night, didn't go out New Year's Eve (because we had the other half's grandson staying over and not because we're sheeple who live our lives in fear), went out New Year's Day evening to my favourite curry house, and visited my sister in Sheffield the following day where we went out to a local pub for Sunday dinner. Oh, and a couple of weeks prior to all that I was on holiday for 6 days in Tenerife.

Yeah, life is proper shit and full of restrictions at the moment.
 
Manc in London said:
If The Guardian was left wing, they would not have attacked Corbyn so much. Centrist, with a slight left leaning. It probably appears leftist compared to the Daily Mail and Telegraph as they are pretty much far right.

As for their coverage of the pandemic, I do think they have been at times irresponsible. Possibly, the focus on kicking the Tories (can understand the temptation) has led to some OTT headlines and articles.
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Indeed.

They're liberal and progressive, but not overly 'left'.

A left wing equivalent to the Mail would be the Mirror.
 
M18CTID said:
Oh right. I must've missed the fact that the boosters were being rolled out weeks and weeks before Omicron even became a thing and Delta was still the dominant strain. What did you want the country to do when Omicron arrived - halt the booster programme? And if you yourself have chosen not to have the booster, why the fuck are you so upset that anyone else has chosen to have it?
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The one caveat is it does sit a little uncomfortably that we’ve got a few countries way on their way to completing a booster rollout and others starting their fourth when there’s still significant amounts of the world that haven’t even had one or two doses yet.

Completely agree about the individual choice to take it once it’s offered though as there’s nothing individuals can really do about that wider issue.
 
M18CTID said:
My name isn't Ian Brown so American pharma is way down my list of things that I'm arsed about.

The way you're banging on, you make it sound like it's a full lockdown. In the past week or so I've led a perfectly normal life for me. I was round the other half's parents for Xmas dinner, on the lash with my mates Boxing Day in the Corner Shop before going to watch City, went round my parents on the 28th, was on a train to London on the 29th for another piss-up watching City at Brentford and stayed over the night, didn't go out New Year's Eve (because we had the other half's grandson staying over and not because we're sheeple who live our lives in fear), went out New Year's Day evening to my favourite curry house, and visited my sister in Sheffield the following day where we went out to a local pub for Sunday dinner. Oh, and a couple of weeks prior to all that I was on holiday for 6 days in Tenerife.

Yeah, life is proper shit and full of restrictions at the moment.
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good for you. Not sure anyone's going to buy your autobiography but thanks anyway. Meanwhile, others have been stuck in 10 days isolation for something they've not had any symptoms for and lost Christmas. Others have had to travel, isolate or take expensive PCR tests for something they don't have or have no symptoms for when they test positive. People have been denied going to football matches over Christmas with their families because players have tested positive and been made to isolate with often little to no symptoms.

When we transition from "having Covid" to "being ill" and adjust our lives accordingly back to actual normal, then we'll be getting somewhere. That includes our perspective on treatments.
 
meltonblue said:
The one caveat is it does sit a little uncomfortably that we’ve got a few countries way on their way to completing a booster rollout and others starting their fourth when there’s still significant amounts of the world that haven’t even had one or two doses yet.

Completely agree about the individual choice to take it once it’s offered though as there’s nothing individuals can really do about that wider issue.
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True, and I can't disagree on that but I think that's a different debate altogether
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
you're free to have your perspective. If you're not at least somewhat skeptical of American pharma given their track record then you're naive at best. It does impact on my quality of life to have restrictions imposed and see ideological vitriol sweeping across society instead of us getting on with life and moving back to normality as we should be. If you don't want it to affect quality of life, then remove masks, vaccine passports and isolation periods. If the boosters work so beautifully, then there would be no reason to defend a position where people are still under restrictions, regardless of their vaccination status.
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What have masks and vaccine certificates got to do with quality of life, okay possibly for a very few vaccine certificates , but for the vast majority its their choice. Masks don’t harm anyone.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
good for you. Not sure anyone's going to buy your autobiography but thanks anyway. Meanwhile, others have been stuck in 10 days isolation for something they've not had any symptoms for and lost Christmas. Others have had to travel, isolate or take expensive PCR tests for something they don't have or have no symptoms for when they test positive. People have been denied going to football matches over Christmas with their families because players have tested positive and been made to isolate with often little to no symptoms.

When we transition from "having Covid" to "being ill" and adjust our lives accordingly back to actual normal, then we'll be getting somewhere. That includes our perspective on treatments.
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Those are altogether different issues - and many on here, including me, have been banging the drum on those anyway - to the one you were referring to earlier about boosters and Big Pharma so I'm not sure why you're bringing them up
 
UK Cases over 200,000 - 218,724

But England only was 148,725 - which is NOT a high. Has been over 160,000 twice last week.

Caused by big backlogs reported from other nations such as Northern Ireland after days not reporting.

Hope the media tell people these 'nuances'.

Full details from each nation on the data thread.
 
I tested positive on Sunday, my Dad too. Pretty mild symptoms so far but more than likely got it in the City away end at Brentford (or traveling to or from the game).
 
Healdplace said:
UK Cases over 200,000 - 218,724

But England only was 148,725 - which is NOT a high. Has been over 160,000 twice last week.

Caused by big backlogs reported from other nations such as Northern Ireland after days not reporting.

Hope the media tell people these 'nuances'.

Full details from each nation on the data thread.
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No chance of that!
 
cptaidan88 said:
I tested positive on Sunday, my Dad too. Pretty mild symptoms so far but more than likely got it in the City away end at Brentford (or traveling to or from the game).
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Hope you're both ok mate. Yeah, football matches are proper super spreader events for Omicron. Myself and loads of my mates tested positive a few days after the Leeds and Leicester home games. I'm not responsible for giving it you at Brentford though - I was clear of it by then!
 
Healdplace said:
UK Cases over 200,000 - 218,724

But England only was 148,725 - which is NOT a high. Has been over 160,000 twice last week.

Caused by big backlogs reported from other nations such as Northern Ireland after days not reporting.

Hope the media tell people these 'nuances'.

Full details from each nation on the data thread.
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do we actually have a figure for the number of people killed by omicron as opposed to have tested positive then died because of something unrelated, hit by a bus etc
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Hospitals / trusts declaring ‘critical incidents’ is the latest hugely over the top Covid fad.

What they mean is that they have a temporary shortage of staff and they might have to cut back routine stuff until the situation improves.
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what most mean is "sustained high levels of demand, COVID and non-COVID, and availability of beds",
 
M18CTID said:
Here's a thought - stop trying to gaslight other posters. That wasn't the reason why you were against boosters earlier and you know it
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I've always been sceptical on boosters for precisely the reason that most people only really need 2. The benefits we can then get from using those jabs elsewhere is an added bonus.
 
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