Coronavirus (2021) thread

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adrianr said:
Good spot!
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Thank you, but it was not hard to spot. 30,000 cases in Northern Ireland stands out a mile as having another explanation. Even if I had not known they had not posted for days. I am sure journalists covering the pandemic saw it too.

Unfortunately there WAS a record today Set by the North West. The highest ever total by one region across the entire pandemic.

North West today beat the previous high set by London just before Christmas (27,799) by scoring 29, 360 today,
 
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Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I'm saying that the term 'critical incident' is an incorrect description of a standard management procedure to deal with situations such as temporary staff shortages.

In normal times it doesn't really matter but it is being used currently to make out that sections of the NHS are close to collapse. They are under pressure certainly but that is what highly paid managers are meant to deal with.
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OK, so you want the escalation procedures to be renamed?

Suggest you get over it and accept the reality that covid is, in those areas, preventing the normal delivery of health care.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
OK, so you want the escalation procedures to be renamed?

Suggest you get over it and accept the reality that covid is, in those areas, preventing the normal delivery of health care.
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Normal delivery of healthcare is constrained more or less every winter for multiple reasons.

Alarmist headlines are grist to the mill for Covid fanatics.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Didn't realise you were an expert on this.

How many critical incidents are declared in a typical winter?

I've no idea myself.
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I've no idea how many as unless they are actually 'critical incidents' in which something totally unpredictable has happened leaving a hospital or Trust completely overwhelmed and unable to function then they are just difficult periods that have to be managed. That isn't the case in my view.

We can keep it going all night but please feel free to reply I have made my point.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I've no idea how many as unless they are actually 'critical incidents' in which something totally unpredictable has happened leaving a hospital or Trust completely overwhelmed and unable to function then they are just difficult periods that have to be managed. That isn't the case in my view.

We can keep it going all night but please feel free to reply I have made my point.
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Right. So you know that this is normal, based on absolutely no evidence. Got it.

You've made your point very clearly. It seems to be that you don't like the reality of the NHS declaring critical incidents, and need to hide from it, pretending that its normal, even though you've actually got no idea whatsoever if it is.
 
It’s a bit strange on her tonight. When Chris Hopson, a lobbyist for NHS Trusts shared a few anecdotes from Trust leaders that they were not being overwhelmed with Covid cases a number of posters treated this as the gospel that there was nothing to be concerned about.

When a few days later, the official data showed that two thirds of the surge in hospital admissions were primarily due to Covid illness, the same posters went a bit quiet. A few days later (the here and now) and more Trust leaders than Hopson had anecdotes from have announced critical incidents / given advanced warnings they their services will provide inadequate care.

I’m positive that we will soon be moving to better times but the facts show there may be a few bumps in the road in the meantime. People’s political ideologies on here won’t change that. Boris hasn’t introduced additional restrictions so many be the “freedom fighters” on here are fighting a phoney war.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
It’s a bit strange on her tonight. When Chris Hopson, a lobbyist for NHS Trusts shared a few anecdotes from Trust leaders that they were not being overwhelmed with Covid cases a number of posters treated this as the gospel that there was nothing to be concerned about.

When a few days later, the official data showed that two thirds of the surge in hospital admissions were primarily due to Covid illness, the same posters went a bit quiet. A few days later (the here and now) and more Trust leaders than Hopson had anecdotes from have announced critical incidents / given advanced warnings they their services will provide inadequate care.

I’m positive that we will soon be moving to better times but the facts show there may be a few bumps in the road in the meantime. People’s political ideologies on here won’t change that. Boris hasn’t introduced additional restrictions so many be the “freedom fighters” on here a fighting a phoney war.
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When people say "we need to live with it", they often seem to mean "I want to ignore it and hope it goes away".

"We need to keep on top of it" might be a better message.
 
hgblue said:
Shouldn't we be on 3,000 deaths per day by now? How these people have any credibility left is beyond me ;)
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Because thankfully there are still some people that don’t just take the media as a source of information and realised the unlikeliness of that outcome as soon as it was produced, the modellers themselves being some of them.
 
meltonblue said:
Because thankfully there are still some people that don’t just take the media as a source of information and realised the unlikeliness of that outcome as soon as it was produced, the modellers themselves being some of them.
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They realised it was unlikely as soon as they produced it? Comedy gold ;)
 
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