Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

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ninjamonkey said:
I can't understand how people think this is to their advantage, early January is the lightest period of the schedule until the end of the season, not playing a game now and shoving it in later down the line has no benefits for liverpool.

Seeing the new dates, instead of playing it tomorrow with an easy tie against Shrewsbury on Sunday they now have to play it between 2 league games against Brentford and Palace, I'll take that.
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Exactly. Their season is heading for a derailment. The better option for them is forefit and focus on getting the squad fit. These 2 legs and maybe a final just make it more likely the PL games get messed about. There is no way they can fight for 4 trophies.
 
Scottish Cityzen said:
Haha, in their heads 24/7, the mental gymnastics throughout that article is impressive, even linking Wolves starting 11 as less than the cost of KDB.

The pain is delicious!
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In the comments section:

"A more simple comparison can be made by looking at the "Net Spend" difference between Liverpool and Man City. Over the last five years, Liverpool's "net spend" (the price of players added, minus the price of players sold), is about 92 million pounds. Over the same period, Man City's "net spend" is OVER 500 million pounds! You really do not need to look any further than that for an eye-opening, reality-check comparison of the two teams. I have said, before, that looking at those two comparative figures, it is an irrefutable testament to Klopp's greatness as a manager that we have won ANYTHING during that period. It is the antithesis of a 'level financial playing field'."

So, Dipper, tell me about that 'level financial playing field' when you were in division 2 and were given enormous amounts of money to buy the best players to get out of said division. Ah I see. That was different yeah?

A voice of reason:

"Why the desperation to find obscure ways of'proving' that Liverpool (and others) are disadvantaged due to Manchester City's preparedness to spend more than others?
Man City spend what they earn, or so the genuine data indicates. They have no debt, they have investors who have bought equity that can presumably be sold but have not made loans. which have to be repaid. They have built an old underperforming club into a modern behemoth by improving its facilities and management, financial, commercial and managerial. In short the ownership invested well in the location and ability to grow the infrastructure and develop the brand; primed the pump with investment into playing staff and through commercial excellence created the revenue to sustain this and develop it further through reinvested earnings.
FSG and the Glazers have a different model!"
 
ninjamonkey said:
I can't understand how people think this is to their advantage, early January is the lightest period of the schedule until the end of the season, not playing a game now and shoving it in later down the line has no benefits for liverpool.

Seeing the new dates, instead of playing it tomorrow with an easy tie against Shrewsbury on Sunday they now have to play it between 2 league games against Brentford and Palace, I'll take that.
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should have just fielded kids then. No excuse not to play the game.
 
mat said:
Are there FA cup replays this year?

Be interesting if Shrewsbury managed a draw in the FA Cup...
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No replays in FA Cup 3rd & 4th rounds. Liverpool have now lost the benefit of playing the second leg at home. If it goes to extra time & penalties, the home side in the second leg (now Arsenal) should have a slight advantage. Their decision might bite them on the nose especially as few if any of the first team squad would have started anyway.
 
If they can’t field a team on Thursday surely they will still be in isolation at the weekend meaning the fa cup game can’t be played ? So why hasn’t that been called off ? Or will there be a miracle and they are all suddenly clear .
 
Their mates at the top have come through for them , he didnt care playing the kids that time he wanted to throw it but not now , i knew he would do something and hope his players come home early from AFCON
 
blue corby said:
If they can’t field a team on Thursday surely they will still be in isolation at the weekend meaning the fa cup game can’t be played ? So why hasn’t that been called off ? Or will there be a miracle and they are all suddenly clear .
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Maybe Alisson is back from isolation and they have a keeper in contrast to tomorrow.
Actually there's no more space to postpone the FA cup match as next round is early Feb, plus the international break and Brazil involved twice with dipper players in the squad.
Sunday is time for their kids (or they'll forfeit).
 
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kaz7 said:
Their mates at the top have come through for them , he didnt care playing the kids that time he wanted to throw it but not now , i knew he would do something and hope his players come home early from AFCON
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What is the time scale for AFCON? Surely there is a quarantine period before they can rejoin their EPL club as well?
 
The decision is clearly within this season's regulations for the EFL Cup which have been adapted for the COVID situation. There is no point looking at different competitions and season under different regulations for comparisons when it is pretty clear.


5 Non-fulfilment of Fixtures
5.1 If, a Club is unable to fulfil its obligation to complete a Competition Match due to either:
5.1.1 the Club’s Player(s) having returned either a positive lateral flow or PCR test result or are self-isolating in accordance with the action plan set out in the Return to Play/Return to Training Protocols resulting in the Club not having a sufficient number of Players to fulfil the fixture; or
5.1.2 the requirements of the UK Government or any public authority result in the Club not having a sufficient number of Players to fulfil the fixture; or
5.1.3 any other requirements or directions of the UK Government and/or by any public authority,
then the Management Committee shall use its reasonable endeavours to rearrange the fixture for the earliest reasonable opportunity (including but not limited to arranging for the Competition Match to be played at a neutral venue) which will not be later than the date of the first Competition Match scheduled to take place in the immediately following round. Where the Management Committee determine that the Competition Match cannot be rearranged the Management Committee shall have the power to declare that the Competition Match shall be abandoned. Where the Management Committee declare that the Competition Match shall be abandoned, the Club shall forfeit the Competition Match, pay the opposing Club’s expenses in accordance with Rule 5.8 and the opposing Club shall receive a bye into the next round of the Competition.
Guidance – Sufficient Number of Players
The EFL’s general position is that if a Club has enough registered players eligible to participate in the fixture, i.e. they have 14 Players (11 starting and 3 subs) then the Club will have a sufficient number of Players in order to fulfil the fixture. However the EFL will review each circumstance on its own merits.
Guidance – Rearrangement

For example the Second Round of the Competition is scheduled to take place on 24 August 2021, in the event that a First Round Competition Match was postponed, the rearranged a match must take place by 23 August 2021. In the event that the match cannot be rearranged for a suitable date before 23 August 2021 then the Management Committee will award a bye in accordance with Rule 5.1.
5.2 If, both Clubs are unable to fulfil its obligation to complete a Competition Match due to either:
5.2.1 the Club’s Player(s) either having returned a positive lateral flow or PCR test result or are self-isolating in accordance with the action plan set out in the Return to Play/Return to Training Protocols resulting in both Clubs not having a sufficient number of Players to fulfil the fixture; or
5.2.2 the requirements of the UK Government or any public authority result in both Clubs not having a sufficient number of Players to fulfil the fixture; or
5.2.3 any other requirements or directions of the UK Government and/or by any public authority,
then Management Committee shall use its reasonable endeavours to rearrange the Competition Match for the earliest reasonable opportunity (including but not limited to arranging for the Competition Match to be played at a neutral venue) which will not be later than the date of the first Competition Match scheduled to take place in the immediately following round. Where the Management Committee determines that the Competition Match cannot be rearranged the Management Committee shall have the power to declare that the Competition Match shall be abandoned. Where this results in an uneven number of Clubs being entered into the next round, the Management Committee shall exercise its discretion as to which Club progresses through to the next round including but not limited to arranging for byes where necessary.
Guidance – Sufficient Number of Players
The EFL’s general position is that if a Club has enough registered players eligible to participate in the fixture, i.e. they have 14 Players (11 starting and 3 subs) then the Club will have a sufficient number of Players in order to fulfil the fixture. However the EFL will review each circumstance on its own merits.
Guidance - Rearrangement
For example the Second Round of the Competition is scheduled to take place on 24 August 2021, in the event that a First Round Competition Match was postponed, the rearranged a match must take place by 23 August 2021. In the event that the match cannot be rearranged for a suitable date before 23 August 2021 then the Management Committee will award a bye in accordance with Rule 5.2.
5.3 Failure to fulfil any Competition Match will constitute a breach of these Rules unless the Club can demonstrate that the circumstances giving rise to such failure are outside the control of the Club and could not have been reasonably foreseen or reasonably anticipated and remedied prior to the Competition Match.
5.4 Dislocation of Competition Matches caused by any reason whatsoever shall be immediately reported to The League by the Clubs concerned and it shall be the duty of the Home Club in each instance immediately to notify the appointed referee and assistant referee of such dislocation.
5.5 Clubs must use their best endeavours to agree a suitable date, not later than the date of the first Competition Match scheduled to take place in the immediately following round, for the re-arrangements of Competition Matches. Clubs must submit such agreement to Management Committee for approval. In the event that Clubs are unable to reach an agreement, the Management Committee will have the power to arrange the date of the re-arranged Competition Match.
5.6 Failure to fulfil the Competition Match on the re-arranged date will constitute a breach of these Rules unless the Club can demonstrate that the circumstances giving rise to such failure are outside of the control of the Club and could not have been reasonably foreseen or reasonably anticipated and remedied prior to the Competition Match.
5.7 Where the Management Committee determines that a Club, without just cause, has failed to fulfil any of its fixture obligations in respect of any Competition Match on the appointed date the Management Committee shall have the power to:
(a) require that Club to forfeit the Competition Match and award to opposing Club a bye into the next round; and/or
(b) impose penalties against the Club in accordance with Rule 24.1; and/or
(c) delegate the matter to a Disciplinary Commission in accordance with Rule 24.3.
Gudiance – Limits on spectators
Clubs should note that failing to fulfil a fixture due to a requirement by any public authority to play a match either behind closed doors or with a limited number of spectators, will constitute failing to fulfil without just cause in accordance with Rule 5.5.
5.8 The Club failing to fulfil a Competition Match shall be liable to pay compensation for any expenses actually incurred by the opposing Club as a direct result of the failure, unless the circumstances giving rise to such failure are outside of the control of the Club and could not have been reasonably foreseen or reasonably anticipated and remedied prior to the Competition Match. The amount of compensation will be at the discretion of the Management Committee who will consider each such case on its merits. The Management Committee may refer the amount of compensation to be paid to a Disciplinary Commission appointed under Rule 24 dealing with the misconduct by the Club failing to fulfil its fixture.
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
In the comments section:

"A more simple comparison can be made by looking at the "Net Spend" difference between Liverpool and Man City. Over the last five years, Liverpool's "net spend" (the price of players added, minus the price of players sold), is about 92 million pounds. Over the same period, Man City's "net spend" is OVER 500 million pounds! You really do not need to look any further than that for an eye-opening, reality-check comparison of the two teams. I have said, before, that looking at those two comparative figures, it is an irrefutable testament to Klopp's greatness as a manager that we have won ANYTHING during that period. It is the antithesis of a 'level financial playing field'."

So, Dipper, tell me about that 'level financial playing field' when you were in division 2 and were given enormous amounts of money to buy the best players to get out of said division. Ah I see. That was different yeah?

A voice of reason:

"Why the desperation to find obscure ways of'proving' that Liverpool (and others) are disadvantaged due to Manchester City's preparedness to spend more than others?
Man City spend what they earn, or so the genuine data indicates. They have no debt, they have investors who have bought equity that can presumably be sold but have not made loans. which have to be repaid. They have built an old underperforming club into a modern behemoth by improving its facilities and management, financial, commercial and managerial. In short the ownership invested well in the location and ability to grow the infrastructure and develop the brand; primed the pump with investment into playing staff and through commercial excellence created the revenue to sustain this and develop it further through reinvested earnings.
FSG and the Glazers have a different model!"
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Robinho's Subbuteo said:
In the comments section:

"A more simple comparison can be made by looking at the "Net Spend" difference between Liverpool and Man City. Over the last five years, Liverpool's "net spend" (the price of players added, minus the price of players sold), is about 92 million pounds. Over the same period, Man City's "net spend" is OVER 500 million pounds! You really do not need to look any further than that for an eye-opening, reality-check comparison of the two teams. I have said, before, that looking at those two comparative figures, it is an irrefutable testament to Klopp's greatness as a manager that we have won ANYTHING during that period. It is the antithesis of a 'level financial playing field'."

So, Dipper, tell me about that 'level financial playing field' when you were in division 2 and were given enormous amounts of money to buy the best players to get out of said division. Ah I see. That was different yeah?

A voice of reason:

"Why the desperation to find obscure ways of'proving' that Liverpool (and others) are disadvantaged due to Manchester City's preparedness to spend more than others?
Man City spend what they earn, or so the genuine data indicates. They have no debt, they have investors who have bought equity that can presumably be sold but have not made loans. which have to be repaid. They have built an old underperforming club into a modern behemoth by improving its facilities and management, financial, commercial and managerial. In short the ownership invested well in the location and ability to grow the infrastructure and develop the brand; primed the pump with investment into playing staff and through commercial excellence created the revenue to sustain this and develop it further through reinvested earnings.
FSG and the Glazers have a different model!"
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Having read Prestwich blues financial breakdown of major clubs over a 6 year period. It seems that the difference between Chelsea and the dippers net spend is a mere £6m. So instead of comparing to us maybe they should compare to Chelsea and what they have won in the same period
 
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