‘a usually positive spiritual force/the energy flow in gthrouh all people.’
Agree with it or not. But to say someone is a fantasist for using a definition of a word in this way?
Yeah...I agree with a lot of what you say. It's just the terminology, really. I've become a bit more scientifically minded in my later years. I try to be a bit more logical...but brain fog gets in the way of my thinking!So you’re arguing about the use of terminology? And what does the sensation arise from? I’d be really curious to speak to you if did choose to take ayahuasca, because I’m pretty sure you would come at this question in a different way. But another way might be just to see how deeply relaxed one can become - without a toke or two or just falling asleep - and then see what comes as one moves into that awareness. And then ask what words one can use to describe it. Or don’t…
Edit : my guess is that this won’t be your kind of thing but if you were interested then you might ask yourself how you could relax into the awareness of a palpable sensation of beauty.
I agree with you re definitions and it was in a piece that someone else wrote. I don’t even particularly agree with/like the writing style at times but it is more words to point to something - and if it is something that works for some great and if it isn’t, then fair enough.Misssed it because of the formatting, and laziness.
And It’s still an imprecise term in the context though. I don't really care about you using energy to mean anything in the spiritual context, but the dictionary definition alone has limitations for explaining what you actually mean.
Cheers. Don‘t know if this will make sense - but years ago when I smoked, I sometimes used to find that I would become more attuned to music. As the night went on, I would find myself turning the volume down on the stereo in order to effectively keep the music at the same level in my experience. Would wake up the next day, turn the stereo on and barely be able to hear the music. And I have something similar with the, erm, sensation of beauty these days. That it feels like when I am open to this beauty, then the same music is somehow richer, more vibrant, more enjoyable. Is wonderful. I also have a sense that this experience of beauty can be deepened AND there are times where I feel like can’t access this beauty at all - and my quality of life with ‘the same life’ is experienced as a whole lot less enjoyable to say the least. So maybe I could say that there is a scale of openness to this beauty. And I might try to find words to share this. But 1) if people are just trying to understand this intellectually, it’ll make little sense 2) When not open to that beauty, then I can struggle to find words to describe it 3) When in that state of beauty, writing on Bluemoon isn’t álways’ my first choice of things to be doing so 4) I might borrow someone else’s words that aren’t exactly it but point in the same sort of direction. Added to that, people can be like ‘prove it or doesn’t exist’ and it can be a case of ’fuck knows if that’s even possible in the way people want but let’s write anyway.…’Yeah...I agree with a lot of what you say. It's just the terminology, really. I've become a bit more scientifically minded in my later years. I try to be a bit more logical...but brain fog gets in the way of my thinking!
Like a trance. i get into that state when i can. It's rare to get that time when everything is just right, though. And if I've got things on my mind..forget it. I get too obsessed with bullshit that's annoying me. So, everything has to be in place and just right for me to be able to get anywhere. Music and weed DO help. Many times, I've solved the problems as to why we're here and life in general. I just forget the answers. haha. Maybe the answer is: there is no answer.Cheers. Don‘t know if this will make sense - but years ago when I smoked, I sometimes used to find that I would become more attuned to music. As the night went on, I would find myself turning the volume down on the stereo in order to effectively keep the music at the same level in my experience. Would wake up the next day, turn the stereo on and barely be able to hear the music. And I have something similar with the, erm, sensation of beauty these days. That it feels like when I am open to this beauty, then the same music is somehow richer, more vibrant, more enjoyable. Is wonderful. I also have a sense that this experience of beauty can be deepened AND there are times where I feel like can’t access this beauty at all - and my quality of life with ‘the same life’ is experienced as a whole lot less enjoyable to say the least. So maybe I could say that there is a scale of openness to this beauty. And I might try to find words to share this. But 1) if people are just trying to understand this intellectually, it’ll make little sense 2) When not open to that beauty, then I can struggle to find words to describe it 3) When in that state of beauty, writing on Bluemoon isn’t álways’ my first choice of things to be doing so 4) I might borrow someone else’s words that aren’t exactly it but point in the same sort of direction. Added to that, people can be like ‘prove it or doesn’t exist’ and it can be a case of ’fuck knows if that’s even possible in the way people want but let’s write anyway.…’
Always amusing to be told by someone I have never met, have never known, and will never know that, because I disagree with his religious philosophy that I “don’t know my own heart.”If it sounds silly to you, then I guess I’ll take that as a compliment. How you write is proof enough that you don’t know your own heart. And you are free to live that way. I’ll enjoy the richness of being ‘silly’ and you can have fun with being serious and the rewards that may bring.
Yep. For me it can have different stages and qualities. Sometimes more trancy , sometimes more present and clear. I don’t have a handbook for this but if I were to guess/extrapolate as to where it’s leading then it would be along the lines of a clean, natural, beautiful grounded high. And then maybe connect with other(s) along that way. But it involves finding a way through the resistance to that state of being, however that may be. Why? I don’t know. Maybe it just is. Is this true and/or the way for everyone? Very much doubt it. But being stuck in the resistance for too long is a bit of a nightmare, whereas beauty and joy don’t seem like such a bad ‘reason’ for living.Like a trance. i get into that state when i can. It's rare to get that time when everything is just right, though. And if I've got things on my mind..forget it. I get too obsessed with bullshit that's annoying me. So, everything has to be in place and just right for me to be able to get anywhere. Music and weed DO help. Many times, I've solved the problems as to why we're here and life in general. I just forget the answers. haha. Maybe the answer is: there is no answer.
You don’t even know what my religious philosophy is or isn‘t. And in the main it’s the tone of your writing rather than whether you are religious or not, that speaks of heart or not. And I’m glad you found what I wrote hilarious, at least if you’re laughing then it served some purpose for you. Beyond that, I find you to be kind of tragic, you may find me to be the same. Great - we look at life in very different ways. And life goes on.Always amusing to be told by someone I have never met, have never known, and will never know that, because I disagree with his religious philosophy that I “don’t know my own heart.”
But you don’t?! Hilarious!
And so goes a few millennia of religious thinking….and ethereal bullshit!
Even if a million scientists said they believed, that doesnt mean anything. A true scientist will expect evidence. Faith is useless. I have faith i can sing really well, the evidence tragically contradicts this though. Same with the existence of god. All the faith in the world m9ves the dial not a millimetre.The ego will basically decide whether something will feed its vanity or not. It will accept what feeds it and reject what doesn’t. This egotism may then be dressed up in the clothes of ‘science’ and claim that all true scientists support what it says - even if shown quotes of heralded scientists who are open to the idea of Divinity. So, stay closed to even the possibility of a greater intelligence if you want but here’s a thing- in choosing egoic vanity one also gets to be unaware of a deeper beauty that can inspire and enrich life in many ways. That’s a choice for each being (or not) but trying to prove that to a closed ego is a waste of time. You can enjoy being right though and live life in a way that never goes beyond skin deep. Merry Xmas.
Off topic - my singing is woeful too. But for some reason my whistling is far, far better - but not excellent at all.I have faith i can sing really well, the evidence tragically contradicts this though. Same with the existence of god. All the faith in the world m9ves the dial not a millimetre.
l've tried that. Still sound kike a goose farting in the fog.Off topic - my singing is woeful too. But for some reason my whistling is far, far better - but not excellent at all.
Perhaps we both should look into auto-tune.
For me - it's weird.l've tried that. Still sound kike a goose farting in the fog.
God truly does work in mysterious ways ;-)Off topic - my singing is woeful too. But for some reason my whistling is far, far better - but not excellent at all.
Perhaps we both should look into auto-tune.
Just a pity whistling is as popular as the clap these days. I feel your pain.For me - it's weird.
I try to hit notes all the time that my vocal cords can't sustain and thus my whistling is far better.
But it's more than just that - even if I lower the octave range and try to sing a song - sometimes I can't for the life of me hit the correct next note. But if I switch to whistling, I'm far better. Weird.
Can I have a hallelujah, brother!God truly does work in mysterious ways ;-)
Have you come across something like Thomas Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions? In that he may speak along the lines that there can be a growth in the understanding within one paradigm, then enough data may come along that doesn’t fit in to that paradigm so there can be growth/opening into a new paradigm in which that data fits better. Obviously some may be so heavily invested in the old paradigm and so reject the new one. For me there is a faith in - that there are understandings beyond currently accepted paradigms. How beautiful is that? And the curious thing for me is that there comes to be a sense that how one chooses to see life can actually come to be a limit to one’s ability to understand life. To sum this up, one might say that a level of knowledge effectively comes to be a level of ignorance as one opens to a deeper understanding AND both ignorance and understanding are both seen to expressions of the same ’scale of awareness.’ Cheers :)Even if a million scientists said they believed, that doesnt mean anything. A true scientist will expect evidence. Faith is useless. I have faith i can sing really well, the evidence tragically contradicts this though. Same with the existence of god. All the faith in the world m9ves the dial not a millimetre.
That’s your understanding of religion and you can choose to go with that. I choose not to limit myself to your understanding.Religion is belief in something absent any proof whatsoever. Usually promising some sort of reward/continued existence following ones death. Immortality - that is life in some form after death - is intoxicating. Ergo religion.
If religious beliefs had little to no detrimental impact on society and instead was simply a matter of individual conviction - I'd have no problem with it. Instead, religion almost always devolves into antisocial behavior and violence.