My young gp has multi organ damage from covid , on a ventilator in the first wave , he has just had to retire , my lungs took well over a year to recover , for some the damage kills them , it can be really serious or a six months of post viral fatiqueHow serious are they damaged?
It's not just 17,000 - excess deaths vs the 5 year average from the start of the pandemic to the end of 2021 were just over 133,000.While 17k people lost is very sad,I'm yet to be convinced that this period in our lives was worthy of causing or exacerbating the consequences elsewhere.
I feel many people have been brainwashed through fear,rather than fact.If the real figures had been published from the get go,then the majority would have seen this virus for what it is.
You are embarrassing yourself quoting 17k.While 17k people lost is very sad,I'm yet to be convinced that this period in our lives was worthy of causing or exacerbating the consequences elsewhere.
I feel many people have been brainwashed through fear,rather than fact.If the real figures had been published from the get go,then the majority would have seen this virus for what it is.
The person that he was quoting is equally as bad , denier and anti vaxxerYou are embarrassing yourself quoting 17k.
156,000 from start of covid to now.It's not just 17,000 - excess deaths vs the 5 year average from the start of the pandemic to the end of 2021 were just over 133,000.
While 17k people lost is very sad,I'm yet to be convinced that this period in our lives was worthy of causing or exacerbating the consequences elsewhere.
I feel many people have been brainwashed through fear,rather than fact.If the real figures had been published from the get go,then the majority would have seen this virus for what it is.
I suspect in the cold light of day, we will look back on this in a few years time as being a significant over-reaction to what is undoubtedly a nasty virus, but nowhere near significant enough (To the global population) to cause the level of global disruption and misery we inflicted, that we will be paying for for generations.While 17k people lost is very sad,I'm yet to be convinced that this period in our lives was worthy of causing or exacerbating the consequences elsewhere.
I feel many people have been brainwashed through fear,rather than fact.If the real figures had been published from the get go,then the majority would have seen this virus for what it is.
Of course you docompletely agree
If we'd dne that before covid then yes. Unfortuanately we didn't so when covid hit we had to deal with the NHS as it was not how we'd have liked or needed it to be.I suspect in the cold light of day, we will look back on this in a few years time as being a significant over-reaction to what is undoubtedly a nasty virus, but nowhere near significant enough (To the global population) to cause the level of global disruption and misery we inflicted, that we will be paying for for generations.
if we’d taken the money we’ve spent on furlough, test and trace, Lateral Flow/PCR tests, etc etc, and instead invested that in the NHS, we’d probably have the best health facilities in the world.
I also can’t begin to imagine the numbers of face masks and latex gloves that we’ve manufactured/ discarded that will pollute rivers and oceans.
He sounds like he is not fit to be a Headteacher. Even if it was true (and it seems far-fetched to claim 40 per cent of his kids have long Covid) he should not be fuelling the panic by broadcasting it. If he had any leadership skills he would manage the situation in a calm measured way.Head teacher on the radio this morning claiming we are “failing a WHOLE generation of children by easing restrictions and should tighten them up”.
a whole generation. He referenced how many children have ‘long covid’ in his school. 40% he reckons. I known for a fact kids were claiming to have covid when they didnt for the time off. He naive in the extreme if he thinks kids arent claiming long covid for unscrupulous reasons
utter bollocks and only uttered by people employed in the public sector who, come what may, get paid regardless.
Its over. Move on
I think there is probably some truth in this. However hindsight is always a great thing. The first strain of Covid was a lot more lethal than the current one but no one knew this at the time. It would have been madness to let it rip without knowing the risks of doing this. No doubt lots of mistakes have been made in the way it has been handled.I suspect in the cold light of day, we will look back on this in a few years time as being a significant over-reaction to what is undoubtedly a nasty virus, but nowhere near significant enough (To the global population) to cause the level of global disruption and misery we inflicted, that we will be paying for for generations.
if we’d taken the money we’ve spent on furlough, test and trace, Lateral Flow/PCR tests, etc etc, and instead invested that in the NHS, we’d probably have the best health facilities in the world.
I also can’t begin to imagine the numbers of face masks and latex gloves that we’ve manufactured/ discarded that will pollute rivers and oceans.
The response has still been massively disproportionate (in my opinion)If we'd dne that before covid then yes. Unfortuanately we didn't so when covid hit we had to deal with the NHS as it was not how we'd have liked or needed it to be.
I suspect in the cold light of day, we will look back on this in a few years time as being a significant over-reaction to what is undoubtedly a nasty virus, but nowhere near significant enough (To the global population) to cause the level of global disruption and misery we inflicted, that we will be paying for for generations.
if we’d taken the money we’ve spent on furlough, test and trace, Lateral Flow/PCR tests, etc etc, and instead invested that in the NHS, we’d probably have the best health facilities in the world.
I also can’t begin to imagine the numbers of face masks and latex gloves that we’ve manufactured/ discarded that will pollute rivers and oceans.
We'll never be able to put numbers on it but lockdowns saved covid and non covid lives.We couldn't run the risk of hospitals being completely overrun and hospital beds/ICU being all taken, we was very very close to that point - lockdown saved the NHS
The lethality (mainly to at risk groups) were known fairly early on, certainly before decisions like lockdown/keeping kids at home etc were known. Had we been dealing with MERS levels then the response would have been proportionate. I believed it was disproportionate at the time, and even more so now.I think there is probably some truth in this. However hindsight is always a great thing. The first strain of Covid was a lot more lethal than the current one but no one knew this at the time. It would have been madness to let it rip without knowing the risks of doing this. No doubt lots of mistakes have been made in the way it has been handled.
Personally I think the world has been lucky. If Covid was as lethal as some other viruses we have seen in the past, like Mers for example, it would have been a disaster for the planet. Let's hope some lessons are learned and better protection is put into place.
I think the biggest lesson we have to learn is the chronic state of the health of this nation. The UK and the USA have suffered badly because we have too much obesity, diabetes etc in a generally unhealthy population. Surely all of us can agree that it would be a good idea to improve everyone's health (I include myself in this) so we are all more resilient to future threats. There are people in my gym in their 70s who put me to shame with their fitness levels!The lethality (mainly to at risk groups) were known fairly early on, certainly before decisions like lockdown/keeping kids at home etc were known. Had we been dealing with MERS levels then the response would have been proportionate. I believed it was disproportionate at the time, and even more so now.
The NHS exists to serve the country to the best of its ability considering the investment in it. The country doesn’t run to ensure the health service isn’t overwhelmed. That’s a nice to have.We couldn't run the risk of hospitals being completely overrun and hospital beds/ICU being all taken, we was very very close to that point - lockdown saved the NHS