Anniversary of the air disaster

I remember that time so clearly. Duncan Edwards was my favourite player at that time. Yes I know he played for them but the rivalries were not bitter in those days. I've mentioned before about going one week to them and one week to Maine Road because as a teenager I couldn't afford away days.

So young Duncan, who definitely would have been an England legend, was my favourite player and I cried quite a lot when I heard he had died.
City and United were fairly amicable in their relationship back then.

We’d been accommodating and happy enough to allow United to play at Maine Road a decade earlier. This created a group of Mancunians who’d go and watch City one week and United the next. This carried on after United moved back to Old Trafford (in the 60s, my Grandad would take my Dad and Uncle to Maine Road one week and Old Trafford the next when City were away).
 
I went to O.T. for the first post-Munich match, the atmosphere, travelling and even more so in the ground was almost indescribable, like nothing before or since. No animosity, even the usual hurly-burly crossing the bridge and the turn-stiles less boisterous , a form of collective shock i imagine, like the funeral crowds when an icon passes.
In the after-math, the pilots were blamed by the investigators, and it took three years and a great deal of cash by the air-line pilots union to clear their name. This article brilliantly exposes all the factors that, added together caused the crash. Take a bow Mr James
 
What a sad story. The Tenerife air disaster of 1980 is very underreported and not many actually know about it.
It happened on the same day Jimmy Carter sent troops in helicopters to rescue American hostages in Iran, failed attempt. That was obviously the headline news

Mr mate’s mum and dad were Marion and Harold Ingley (Sunderland fan) they are on a plaque at the Southern Cemetery in Manchester, lovely people.
 
I went to O.T. for the first post-Munich match, the atmosphere, travelling and even more so in the ground was almost indescribable, like nothing before or since. No animosity, even the usual hurly-burly crossing the bridge and the turn-stiles less boisterous , a form of collective shock i imagine, like the funeral crowds when an icon passes.
In the after-math, the pilots were blamed by the investigators, and it took three years and a great deal of cash by the air-line pilots union to clear their name. This article brilliantly exposes all the factors that, added together caused the crash. Take a bow Mr James
Thanks. Appreciated.
 
I went to O.T. for the first post-Munich match, the atmosphere, travelling and even more so in the ground was almost indescribable, like nothing before or since. No animosity, even the usual hurly-burly crossing the bridge and the turn-stiles less boisterous , a form of collective shock i imagine, like the funeral crowds when an icon passes.
In the after-math, the pilots were blamed by the investigators, and it took three years and a great deal of cash by the air-line pilots union to clear their name. This article brilliantly exposes all the factors that, added together caused the crash. Take a bow Mr James
Yes the shock was all over the city not just near the ground. I remember the queues to get in, people just shuffling forward with hardly.a word.
I think that the back page of the programme which both teams were listed, usually a guess at the best of times, had the United team team in the usual 5- 3 - 2 1 layout with just the numbers 2-11(goalie didn't have a number then) and underneath each number was row of dots for the players name, blank because they had no idea who would be able to play.
 
Yes the shock was all over the city not just near the ground. I remember the queues to get in, people just shuffling forward with hardly.a word.
I think that the back page of the programme which both teams were listed, usually a guess at the best of times, had the United team team in the usual 5- 3 - 2 1 layout with just the numbers 2-11(goalie didn't have a number then) and underneath each number was row of dots for the players name, blank because they had no idea who would be able to play.
My Dad has an old programme from the 50’s that lists the “shirts” red and “knickers” white.
 
My mate lost his parents in the Tenerife air disaster on the 25th April 1980, I was with him when he was informed his parents had died in the crash. Devastating would be an understatement, he was a 21 year old happy go lucky brilliant friend to many, just started a new career, had a lovely girlfriend and had his whole life in front of him.

He started drinking heavily, gave up his job, lost his gf and most of his mates, he became a recluse.

He was left a small fortune, his Dad was a Company Director, but he lost everything, only child, house, death benefit, investments and savings, he blew the lot. He’s 63 now, on his own, no family and will not make contact with anyone.

I know it’s the younger generation who used to think it was ok to call those who lost their lives “Munichs” and make physical gestures but thankfully its a thing of the past and I for one will raise a glass to those mostly young men who perished in that disaster.
I never knew about this air disaster.
I thought you had it mixed up with the one in 1977 when 2 jumbos collided on the runway at Tenerife, which resulted in over 500 deaths.
You learn something new every day.
 
I never knew about this air disaster.
I thought you had it mixed up with the one in 1977 when 2 jumbos collided on the runway at Tenerife, which resulted in over 500 deaths.
You learn something new every day.
Tenerife North, I don’t think they had radar, just beacons at the time. It was Pilot error, my mate eventually got compensation, 10k each for his parents, has had a colossal impact on his life. There’s three weird things attached to this and I’m no way superstitious:

Evening before (Thursday) we were having a pint and one of the topics of discussion was, wouldn’t it be terrible if you had fallen out with family or friends and they had died.

Marion (friend’s mum) had taken some fruit and veg to his girlfriend’s mum as it was going out of date and said she had a “funny feeling” about the holiday.

Mate’s parents had booked a parking spot at the airport but the car was parked at the house, his mum had left a note saying the car wouldn’t start. We later found out it was a cracked distributor head so they got a taxi. Pity they weren’t on the last minute and missed the flight.
 
R.I.P to all that died

but also how sad was it to hear about some of the players badly injured and could never play again and united kicked them out of the clubs houses. united stopped paying them and they had to find new homes and without money or jobs some even had kids or wife's pregnant




Jackie Blanchflower, the Northern Ireland defender, was the first to suffer from United’s ill treatment. When it became clear to the club that Blanchflower would never play football again, the club soon cut ties with the man from Belfast. First they withdrew his taxi rights, a crippling blow for a man who struggled to walk after Munich.

Next, Blanchflower was evicted from his club accommodation despite his wife being heavily pregnant at the time. The Reds were quick to cut away those players who were no longer of use. Blanchflower wasn’t the only victim of such ill-treatment either. The Reds withdrew rented accommodation for all the survivors who couldn’t play football again.

Johnny Berry was evicted from his club house and was later fired by United through a letter. Albert Scanlon, another survivor badly affected by the disaster played with United for a short time in the aftermath of Munich before being transferred to Newcastle. Busby allegedly told Scanlon that if he ever fell on hard times Busby would help him out. When Scanlon did turn to Busby, his pleas seemingly fell on deaf ears. Anger at Scanlon’s treatment still affects Albert’s family.

Often ex-players were left to depend upon the kindness of United fans and not the club. In a sign of good will many taxi drivers in Manchester offered the men free transportation. Such respect was not given by United. Greggs isn’t the only one to make such accusations either.

Jeff Connor and Gary James have both recently published works backing up the shocking claims made by Harry Greggs. United’s memorialization of the Munich Air Disaster has often airbrushed out these uncomfortable actions and the Club’s recent history with the survivors hasn’t been much better.


In 1998, on the fortieth anniversary of the disaster United held a testimonial game for the survivors. A £90,000 appearance fee was paid to ex-United legend Eric Cantona to take part in the testimonial. A sum almost twice that given to each of the families of the survivors. The families of the survivors were vocal in their displeasure and it is little surprise that United kept quiet on such matters.

In spite of such abhorrent behaviour, one is left to ask if United are to blame for the way they treated the survivors? The 1950s were an austere time in football, when players’ wages were capped and contracts were dictated by the clubs. United were not alone in ill-treating their former legends, lest one forget West Ham’s allegedly poor relations with Sir Bobby Moore near the end of his life.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

What is deplorable however is the Club’s recent interactions with the survivor’s families and the continual attempts to air brush from history the Red Devils’ behaviour.


In a football world now awash with money, Manchester United as a club seem content to memorialise the victims, but not compensate the survivors. United as a club have forgotten their past, or are at least are trying to.
 
My dad was Old Skool and he used to got to watch City one week and the Rags the next in the 1950's , whichever club was playing at home but after the Munich disaster instead of tagging onto the Rags he instead started watching City home and away. Which went against the grain because the Rags rightly attracted so much sympathy and additional support after the incident , but he ended up despising them over the years , so grateful he made the right choice :)
 
They say that eveyone can remeber where they were when JFK was assassinated, I can't, or where they were when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon, I can't.
But I can remember, on that day, walking up Waterloo Road in Cheetham at about 4pm when I met a school freind who told me the news. Even as a life-long City fan (I was 9), who had suffered taunts and ridicule from my school mates, I was upset. Eevn more so when I learnt of Franks Swift's fate.
 
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With Roger Byrne, Eddie Colman, Duncan Edwards and Tommy Taylor in the side I think England would have won the World Cup in Sweden in 1958, Pele & Garrincha, etc. notwithstanding.
Edwards was the greatest of them all
Garrincha, there’s a story!
 
R.I.P to all that died

but also how sad was it to hear about some of the players badly injured and could never play again and united kicked them out of the clubs houses. united stopped paying them and they had to find new homes and without money or jobs some even had kids or wife's pregnant




Jackie Blanchflower, the Northern Ireland defender, was the first to suffer from United’s ill treatment. When it became clear to the club that Blanchflower would never play football again, the club soon cut ties with the man from Belfast. First they withdrew his taxi rights, a crippling blow for a man who struggled to walk after Munich.

Next, Blanchflower was evicted from his club accommodation despite his wife being heavily pregnant at the time. The Reds were quick to cut away those players who were no longer of use. Blanchflower wasn’t the only victim of such ill-treatment either. The Reds withdrew rented accommodation for all the survivors who couldn’t play football again.

Johnny Berry was evicted from his club house and was later fired by United through a letter. Albert Scanlon, another survivor badly affected by the disaster played with United for a short time in the aftermath of Munich before being transferred to Newcastle. Busby allegedly told Scanlon that if he ever fell on hard times Busby would help him out. When Scanlon did turn to Busby, his pleas seemingly fell on deaf ears. Anger at Scanlon’s treatment still affects Albert’s family.

Often ex-players were left to depend upon the kindness of United fans and not the club. In a sign of good will many taxi drivers in Manchester offered the men free transportation. Such respect was not given by United. Greggs isn’t the only one to make such accusations either.

Jeff Connor and Gary James have both recently published works backing up the shocking claims made by Harry Greggs. United’s memorialization of the Munich Air Disaster has often airbrushed out these uncomfortable actions and the Club’s recent history with the survivors hasn’t been much better.


In 1998, on the fortieth anniversary of the disaster United held a testimonial game for the survivors. A £90,000 appearance fee was paid to ex-United legend Eric Cantona to take part in the testimonial. A sum almost twice that given to each of the families of the survivors. The families of the survivors were vocal in their displeasure and it is little surprise that United kept quiet on such matters.

In spite of such abhorrent behaviour, one is left to ask if United are to blame for the way they treated the survivors? The 1950s were an austere time in football, when players’ wages were capped and contracts were dictated by the clubs. United were not alone in ill-treating their former legends, lest one forget West Ham’s allegedly poor relations with Sir Bobby Moore near the end of his life.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

What is deplorable however is the Club’s recent interactions with the survivor’s families and the continual attempts to air brush from history the Red Devils’ behaviour.


In a football world now awash with money, Manchester United as a club seem content to memorialise the victims, but not compensate the survivors. United as a club have forgotten their past, or are at least are trying to.
Very good post. We all extend our sympathies to all those touched by this tragedy.

But the way that disgraceful organisation has milked it for all its worth, since realising it was a potential cash cow, is nothing short of disgraceful.
 
I do find Munich to be a difficult issue. At the time I was very young and had never attended a football match. My dad was a Wolves supporter who moved to Cheadle Hulme about ten years before to work at Driver Harris in Adswood.

I started getting interested in football listening to radio commentaries and reports about United’s European Cup runs. Chelsea were champions for the inaugural season but took advise from the FA and declined. In Scotland, Hibs were the best known team and were invited to compete despite not being Scottish Champions and went through to the semi-finals.

The following season United were Champions and ignored advise and competed. At that time there was very little football on TV apart from the FA Cup Final and the FA Amateur Cup Final. I really got into listening to the reports on the radio. At the time if anyone asked who I supported I would have said Wolves but probably meant United.

My father had a pathological hatred of United. I suspect this stemmed from the Duncan Edwards signing. Duncan was from Dudley and had been associated with Wolves from an early stage. He was clearly destined to become the next big thing in English football. United stepped and bought his parents a house in return for his signature.

After the Munich crash, a whole generation of newspaper football pundit turned from being objective reporters into simpering United fan boys. The worst was David Coleman of the BBC. I did meet him a few times and he was a most respected commentator, as long as United were not playing! Back then most sports journalists were based in London or Manchester and the latter contingent were the worst culprits

Eventually, this gushing tide of sentiment ensured that I would never support United. My first live match was between United and Wolves in 1962-63 and this confirmed that. I went to see City lose 3-0 at home to Blackpool two or three weeks later.

The reaction to the Munich crash both from the club and the press became a factor in building the United fan base (particularly in all points South). United were no great shakes after the crash until the early to mid-1960s. They only just stayed up, at the expense of City, in 1962-63 but did go on to win the FA Cup and had a successful spell in the mid-

They proved remarkably mediocre after winning the European Cup but their support held up even through relegation, partially sustained through media sycophants.

Those who were killed and those whose careers were curtailed at Munich should always be respected. But the club and certain journalists who hi-jacked the whole thing to push the United ‘product’ should not be respected.
 

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