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CL Final Venue | Stade de France named as new venue
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Keepingthefaithsince1976
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Oh. Well it'd be one way to stop all the bickering though hopefully.He already did ask that last couple of years, Putin asks for stuff he knows are too ridiculous to consider, which is his premise for legitimising anything.
Keepingthefaithsince1976
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You know what i wish i felt the same. Quite a bit of psychology in this. The US raised the possibility of Russia doing a false flag, ie start the fighting, blame it on a filmed Ukraine attack (with supposed Ukrainians but really Russians in Ukraine uniform doing the attack). Do we really know if the US/West wouldnt try the same thing because of past indescretions by Putin ie the poisoning of Russians on UK soil, Crimea etc etc. Whatever happens its bloody awful. Sons, fathers, brothers, innocent bystanders all in body bags, grief, lives ruined for years, the consequences are too awful to imagine. Have these world leaders learnt nothing from the last 100 years.Therefore hardly to do with gas prices as the US aren't doing anything.
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this is a moot point as russia is not going to invade ukraine
BufordUSABlue
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cheers Blue - you should be reporting for SKY/Beeb ! There again, as this is the truth, you have no chance, sorry mate!Basically Ukraine gets loads of money for having the pipeline run through their country. They used to get gas from Russia at mates rates, when Ukraine decided they’ve got a new best friend in Europe, Russia put the gas price up in Ukraine, which they didn’t like and refused so Russia ended up turning the pipe off on New Year’s Day, just read it was 2009 but thought it was later than that.
Anyway, that’s when things got a bit shit between the two.
Nord stream 2 means gas goes directly to Germany under the Baltic Sea, Ukraine don’t want this, and neither do Poland, as they both want the transit money.
The joke of cancelling Nord stream 2 is if Russia invade Ukraine, they don’t need nord stream 2 as they’ll have the Ukrainian pipeline. That said, that doesn’t increase the amount of gas they can deliver in the short term. But what Russia can’t deliver in pipes they turn into LNG and ship anyway, however it’s more expensive.
Europe doesn’t want the resilience on Russian gas, because if they have an argument the Russians then hold the cards, but Europe haven’t spent the money on renewables that they should have, because they’re stupid. So now Europe are all a bit fucked. Except maybe France as they use nuclear for electricity, most power plants use gas you see, so a high gas price equals a high electricity price too.
Ukraine want to join NATO after their falling out, Russia won’t have it and will invade Ukraine before that happens and have already annexed Crimea in 2014.
The west have their hands tied as they need Russian resources. So even if they want to get involved, it’ll only be by proxy.
BufordUSABlue
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H'mmmmmmmmmmmmthis is a moot point as russia is not going to invade ukraine
JamesMCFC
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Probably already been covered so apologies if it has but do we rely a lot on Russian gas?
I heard Rolls Royce are building those mini nuclear reactors so hopefully we won't need to rely on foreign gas soon enough
I heard Rolls Royce are building those mini nuclear reactors so hopefully we won't need to rely on foreign gas soon enough
You can certainly bet arms sales will be up worldwide after this that’s for sure.
A major conflict every decade since the 2nd World War, its how they make their money. As sad as it is :(
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For some reason, I thought the Troubles started earlier and lasted until the GFA in 1997. Don’t forget the IRA bombed Manchester during Euro 96 so the ceasefire wasn’t going that well.Where did you get the idea that the ‘troubles’ in Northern Ireland were happening in 1966? You have your timelines screwed up here.
The thing did did not really kick off until 1969. By then the old official IRA had backed off from their ‘border campaign’ in the 1950s and had effectively demilitarised.
It was 1970 when the real violence started. By the the British troops had their role shifted away from protecting the Catholic population from Loyalist mobs with the emergence of the Provisional IRA and IRSP paramilitary groups.
By the time of Euro 1996, the Provos second cease fire was holding.
Why would the World Cup be withheld from England for dispute that was yet to start for three years? Why would the Euros be withheld after the positive move to settle a 25-year old violent dispute?
bladdered
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Not sure why the Ruskies would even think about going there. I have it on good authority that chernobyl will fall off!
Sorry...its been a slow day.
Sorry...its been a slow day.
JGL07
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Bullshit. The USSR never occupied Helsinki. They invaded Finland in 1939 but only had the objective of protecting Leningrad. The USSR advanced into Finland but once they occupied the Karelian Istmus, called off the offensive.The 1952 Olympics were held in Helsinki, then occupied by USSR.
Here are the Russians not invading Helsinkl.Bullshit. The USSR never occupied Helsinki. They invaded Finland in 1939 but only had the objective of protecting Leningrad. The USSR advanced into Finland but once they occupied the Karelian Istmus, called off the offensive.
Here are the Russians not invading Helsinkl.
Which they didn't manage to do. Finland had to fight both USSR and Germany and remained independent after the war with a tiny army and great national pride. Most citizens are proud to be conscripted into their army to this day.
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We will never get the World Cup till the Premier League is done. Far far far too much jealousy out there in the world of football.Where did you get the idea that the ‘troubles’ in Northern Ireland were happening in 1966? You have your timelines screwed up here.
The thing did did not really kick off until 1969. By then the old official IRA had backed off from their ‘border campaign’ in the 1950s and had effectively demilitarised.
It was 1970 when the real violence started. By the the British troops had their role shifted away from protecting the Catholic population from Loyalist mobs with the emergence of the Provisional IRA and IRSP paramilitary groups.
By the time of Euro 1996, the Provos second cease fire was holding.
Why would the World Cup be withheld from England for dispute that was yet to start for three years? Why would the Euros be withheld after the positive move to settle a 25-year old violent dispute?
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finland fought WITH germany against the USSR, belligerently. they received weapons and food shipments from nazi germany. They allowed german troops to be stationed in finland during germany's war against the USSR. Once the war against the USSR ended, they joined the allies in the war against germany.Which they didn't manage to do. Finland had to fight both USSR and Germany and remained independent after the war with a tiny army and great national pride. Most citizens are proud to be conscripted into their army to this day.
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Only on blue moon can a title thread be about potentially where the champions league final may be moved to, to arguing about ussr invading Finland etc ffs
Like I said had to fight both and had no choice who they sided with. You can't side with a country who is attacking you. They would have ended up massacred by both sides and thrown to the dogs at the end of it like Poland after the USSR won WW2 and the west went out with a whimper.finland fought WITH germany against the USSR, belligerently. they received weapons and food shipments from nazi germany. They allowed german troops to be stationed in finland during germany's war against the USSR. Once the war against the USSR ended, they joined the allies in the war against germany.
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All good and well but ultimately if the Germans ended up beating away the soviets and conquering the world, it would have been through huge Finnish strategic support. They made a decision that was very difficult but have to reconcile with the consequences of that decisionLike I said had to fight both and had no choice who they sided with. You can't side with a country who is attacking you. They would have ended up massacred by both sides and thrown to the dogs at the end of it like Poland after the USSR won WW2 and the west went out with a whimper.
Saying Germany could have won the war thanks to "huge support" from Finland is like saying City beat Sporting because Kayky cheered the team on from the bench.All good and well but ultimately if the Germans ended up beating away the soviets and conquering the world, it would have been through huge Finnish strategic support. They made a decision that was very difficult but have to reconcile with the consequences of that decision
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The German troops having a resupply base and being able to station in Finland as well as the red army being preoccupied with the Finns was a huge factor in that warSaying Germany could have won the war thanks to "huge support" from Finland is like saying City beat Sporting because Kayky cheered the team on from the bench.