Russian invasion of Ukraine

inbetween said:
Yes, he broke the law with the continued occupation of Georgia, he broke the law with the annexation of Crimea and he broke the law when his separatist backed thugs took Donbas.

He's now using the defence of the latter separatists as a pretext to send in the Russian army into another country.

Imagine sending armed fellas bearing no uniform into a country, they take a region and then you recognise that region as independent so you send in your army to defend the fellas with no uniform.... That's what's happening.
Click to expand...
Why should Russia care about international law when the UK and US have flaunted it as recently as 2003 with an illegal invasion of Iraq?

The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan stated in September 2004 that: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal".

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, said on 19 December 2003 that "The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognised as fair or justified."

Do as we say not as we do or we’ll give you some sanctions to think about. Think about this too Boris you clown, you want to put sanctions on a country we have a trade deficit with, I’m sure that’ll end well.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-trade-with-russia/
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
A son about to turn 15 later this year, having put his life on hold for two years already.

What a fucking world I brought him in to.

Sanctions won't mean jack shit to a Russia which is aligning itself to China and a shared ideology to do whatever the fuck it wants.
Click to expand...
I have a grandaughter a similar age who is getting counselling at school and she is very fortunate that it is available. I think the mental health of our youngsters should be getting a far higher profile than it is.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
You never know somebody else's situation, mate.

I have suffered from panic attacks and anxiety for a number of years but recently decided to get help from the Doc.

Been put on 50mg daily of Sertraline to try and calm me down/sleep after all the stresses of losing business during Covid.

In to my second week of taking it and a few side effects and little improvement yet, but know I need to stick with it.

An anti-depressant but hoping it ticks a few boxes for me.

Don't suffer in silence mate, I've done CBT and all sorts to try and get through the fog.
Click to expand...
It’s difficult to explain panic attacks to someone who’s not experienced them, they’re frightening and exponentially get worse until for no reason they stop, really spooks me.

I managed to keep my business through Covid but remember when you had to close yours, been a terrible couple of years and now this, let’s hope we can get over this and get back to some kind of normality, best wishes.
 
bluesteel said:
Why should Russia care about international law when the UK and US have flaunted it as recently as 2003 with an illegal invasion of Iraq?

The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan stated in September 2004 that: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal".

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, said on 19 December 2003 that "The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognised as fair or justified."

Do as we say not as we do or we’ll give you some sanctions to think about. Think about this too Boris you clown, you want to put sanctions on a country we have a trade deficit with, I’m sure that’ll end well.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-trade-with-russia/
Click to expand...
Can't be arsed with Putin apologists.
 
hammocity said:
It’s difficult to explain panic attacks to someone who’s not experienced them, they’re frightening and exponentially get worse until for no reason they stop, really spooks me.

I managed to keep my business through Covid but remember when you had to close yours, been a terrible couple of years and now this, let’s hope we can get over this and get back to some kind of normality, best wishes.
Click to expand...

Back at you. Cheers.
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
For more on that, see this acclaimed book.

30566998564.jpg


Here's an extract from it.

'The characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder are well-known: a grandiose sense of self-importance or uniqueness; an exhibitionistic need for constant attention and admiration; a lack of empathy and an inability to recognize how others feel; disregard for the personal integrity and rights of others; and relationships marked by a sense of entitlement and the exploitation of others...whose minds are structured to convince them of their own superiority and for whom the idea of equality is literally inconceivable.

....Narcissists love and admire themselves for qualities for which there is no adequate foundation. Their apparent self-confidence arises from the fact that their mental stability depends on their believing in, and projecting an image of superiority...As the myth [of Narcissus] conveys, the core of narcissistic personality disorder is the obsession with an image of perfection and the absence of an authentic sense of self-worth. The narcissist's deep insecurity compels him to engage in continual exhibitionism, seeking constant attention and approval. But like the child who fears his exhibitionism will be met with ridicule, the narcissist is constantly living in fear of humiliation and shame. Should his perfect image of himself be exposed as a sham, he, like Narcissus, would die of sadness. More often, however, he flies into fits of narcissistic rage in order to keep his unstable personality structure intact.

A quirk of their psychology also means that narcissists can come across as intelligent and articulate. Because of their absolute conviction that they are always right, narcissists seldom trouble themselves with understanding other people's views. They are often incapable of listening and synthesising others' ideas with their own in order to create something new. Bereft of creativity, they excel as masters of destruction. In discussion and debate, their objective is not to reach a rational or objective conclusion, or to work together to reach a compromise. Their objective is simply to demonstrate their own superiority...Generally, narcissists do not hold onto any particular belief or consistent position...They can therefore constantly shift their stated position and adhere to this altered position as doggedly as before.

This combination of rigid certainty (they are superior to others and therefore must be right) and blatant inconsistency (shifting their position moment to moment) makes it extremely difficult for others to counteract their arguments. As a result, narcissists often come across as being intelligent, articulate and skilful negotiators - the ultimate triumph of style over substance.

The narcissist's belief that they are always right and others are always wrong means that they invariably dismiss other people's arguments with contempt. Anyone who dares to disagree with them shows themselves to not only be intellectually inferior but also as having the impertinence to question their superior knowledge. They are therefore likely to react to anyone who challenges them with active or passive aggression...

Narcissists exert a disproportionate influence on society because a number of characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder means that they are more likely to reach positions of authority than those with normal psychology. Their abiding self-confidence, their absolute certainty in their beliefs and abilities, and their sense of entitlement to positions of authority over others, means that they pursue power and authority with a passion that most others like. Their energy, doggedness, and drive - which masks an overpowering need to triumph and an inability to accept defeat - often propel them to positions of power.'

Psychopathy and paranoia are two further traits that are associated with some of the authoritarian despots that we know from history. I would very tentatively speculate that Putin might exhibit those two attributes to an extent, though I have never read a psychological profile of the guy. However, Trump is the epitome of narcissism.
Click to expand...
I wonder who that profile fits other than Putin and Trump. Oh! half the Cabinet and our Prime Minister.
 
bluesteel said:
I not apologising for him, I’m calling the US and the UK embarrassing hypocrites.
Click to expand...

Great but at the same time, along with those who can only go on about the PM or the Tories, Putin and his regime never get mentioned so don’t be upset when posters question why?

Hundreds of threads slagging the Tories off. This is a serious subject and escalation and we should try and keep it on topic.
 
bluesteel said:
I not apologising for him, I’m calling the US and the UK embarrassing hypocrites.
Click to expand...

So when you said we’d come off worse with sanctions you were merely wanting to highlight that the UK was being hypocritical? Bit weird but ok.

For the record the trade deficit of £1bn is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. We are able to wipe out billions from the Russian economy at the stroke of a pen. Only question remaining is how big is the UK government going to go - and how much they think they need to keep in reserve. Personally I’d go all in now.
 
metalblue said:
So when you said we’d come off worse with sanctions you were merely wanting to highlight that the UK was being hypocritical? Bit weird but ok.

For the record the trade deficit of £1bn is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. We are able to wipe out billions from the Russian economy at the stroke of a pen. Only question remaining is how big is the UK government going to go - and how much they think they need to keep in reserve. Personally I’d go all in now.
Click to expand...

A worry is if the sanctions are successful and so biting, does a then desperate Putin think fuck it, I’ve nothing left to lose and we do have WW3 on our hands and the real possibility of it going nuclear.


Putin is unhinged and I don’t see any reasoning with him at all.
 
The blue phantom said:
Fox News and especially Carlson going all in with Russia. Full on Propaganda.

https://t.co/SJzqvkqOEl
Click to expand...

Hard to believe that Fox has taken up this insane position - that Russia's invasion is somehow justified.

Yet, some legitimate, actually truthful reporters remain (for God knows what reason) at Fox.

Here's one such - Jennifer Griffin - poignantly describing just how terrible the Russian invasion will be for the Ukrainian people.

The video starts with one so-called "pundit" suggesting that Russia has no intention to invade the Ukraine on the basis that this is what Putin said. The pushback, by Jennifer Griffin, begins at 27 seconds into the video.
 
Last edited:
blueinsa said:
Great but at the same time, along with those who can only go on about the PM or the Tories, Putin and his regime never get mentioned so don’t be upset when posters question why?

Hundreds of threads slagging the Tories off. This is a serious subject and escalation and we should try and keep it on topic.
Click to expand...
It will be very much on topic when we see what sanctions this UK Government attempts to place on Russia. The Tory party is riddled with Russian money. Lets see how they punish their benefactors.

Putin is a dangerous dictator but comments about the relationship our Party of government have with his regime are fair game imo.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top