Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Indaparkside]

When the only two people that like your post are chief contrarians @bluesteel and @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese then it’s usually a sign it’s a shit argument.

Some on here are like those that start a fight at a game and are still jumping up and down at the back when it kicks off

 

[Sir peace frog]

As a protest we could all go about our business calmly, no Russian about, that will show them.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Then, let’s all bow at his feet and hope we don’t fall foul of his ire, shall we?

I ain't saying that am i?
All I've said is he's telling everyone to stay out of it.
No fucker wants to bow down to him.
I have a cousin who's been fighting in Avdiivka since 2015 against Russian backed troops.
They certainly ain't bowing down.

 

[domalino]

I blame Donald trump

I know you’re being sarcastic but people need to wake up to the fact that Trump was financed by Russia, The DNC and RNC were both hacked by Russia, the NRA was bankrolled by Russia to make it a divisive issue in US politics. The leave campaign was bankrolled by Russia, the conservatives.

Russia have been preparing this for 10 years. They’ve been attacking our democracies and hitting us with so much misinformation to prepare for this and hamper the world’s response to this “restore the Russian Empire” campaign that there’s still posters on here defending Putin and blaming NATO.

There’s posters on this forum parroting Russian talking points when they talk about “Imperialist NATO” without even realising they’ve been propagandised.

 

[Homar]

Taking Putin at his word?

Since 2007, Putin has been “dismantling the structures designed to keep peace in post-Cold War Europe. Russia formally announced in July 2007 that it would no longer adhere to the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty. It continued to reject the principle of host-nation consent for its troop presence in Georgia and Moldova, and began ignoring Vienna Convention limits on troop concentrations, exercises and transparency.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, trading its peacekeepers in the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia for regular military personnel, and driving tanks toward the capital, Tbilisi. Six years later, Russian operatives took over Crimea and rapidly orchestrated its illegal annexation by Russia. Russia followed up with attacks in eastern Ukraine … Later, Russia violated the INF Treaty and began to deny overflights requested under the Open Skies Treaty.”

Opinion | The Speech In Which Putin Told Us Who He Was

In his 2007 Munich address, the Russian leader firmly rejected the post-Cold War system he's still trying to torpedo.

www.politico.com

They’ve been flaunting and breaking the rules for years. Putin used to turn up to conventions and in the last decade has stopped coming. He has no interest whatsoever in what the West or NATO says or wants or would like to keep peace. He’s got his aims and he’s going to go through with them.

I think you misunderstood. I’m not saying to trust him. I’m suggesting that Ukraine calls his bluff. Again, how does Ukraine benefit from continuing down its current path? At best, it survives on a fraction of its territory, weaker both economically and militarily, and remains continuously at the threat of further Russian invasion. That may still happen even if it agrees not to join NATO, but at least then it would prove to the world that the war is a territorial grab. And, if there is even the smallest chance that it avoids a bloody conflict, surely Ukraine should take that chance.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The Francis Begbie of Europe.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[west didsblue]

Taking Putin at his word?

Since 2007, Putin has been “dismantling the structures designed to keep peace in post-Cold War Europe. Russia formally announced in July 2007 that it would no longer adhere to the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty. It continued to reject the principle of host-nation consent for its troop presence in Georgia and Moldova, and began ignoring Vienna Convention limits on troop concentrations, exercises and transparency.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, trading its peacekeepers in the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia for regular military personnel, and driving tanks toward the capital, Tbilisi. Six years later, Russian operatives took over Crimea and rapidly orchestrated its illegal annexation by Russia. Russia followed up with attacks in eastern Ukraine … Later, Russia violated the INF Treaty and began to deny overflights requested under the Open Skies Treaty.”

Opinion | The Speech In Which Putin Told Us Who He Was

In his 2007 Munich address, the Russian leader firmly rejected the post-Cold War system he's still trying to torpedo.

www.politico.com

They’ve been flaunting and breaking the rules for years. Putin used to turn up to conventions and in the last decade has stopped coming. He has no interest whatsoever in what the West or NATO says or wants or would like to keep peace. He’s got his aims and he’s going to go through with them.

Exactly.
Putin has been at it for 15 years including invasions of Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine by proxies. He’s shot down an airliner with minimal consequences. He’s launched an information war against the US and U.K. which is likely to have helped enable the election of Trump and maybe swung our EU vote for Brexit. He’s launched a biological attack on the U.K. that killed a U.K. citizen. In the meantime he’s hosted the Winter Olympics and the World Cup. It’s absolutely no surprise to anyone that takes notice that he’s taken this next step. Acceding to any bullshit Russian demands will simply encourage him to go further. If he succeeds in his aims without significant consequence, Georgia and Moldova will be next and we can only hope that the NATO alliance stands firm to prevent him attacking the Baltic states or Poland. It’s now clear where Trump’s disdain for NATO originated. Thank fuck he’s not still in charge in the US. It’s about time some people woke up to what is happening.

 

[Indaparkside]

I know you’re being sarcastic but people need to wake up to the fact that Trump was financed by Russia, The DNC and RNC were both hacked by Russia, the NSA was bankrolled by Russia to make it a divisive issue in US politics. The leave campaign was bankrolled by Russia.

Russia have been preparing this for 10 years, they’ve been attacking our democracies and hitting us with so much misinformation to prepare for this that there’s still posters on here defending Putin and blaming NATO.

Them same posters mate would surrender quicker than Mussolini

 

[chaddblue]

I personally took that as, “we will use nuclear weapons on any country who tries to get involved and it’s already been signed off”.

And if he does, then there will be nothing left of Russia. He’s not that crazy

 

[SWP's back]

I think you misunderstood. I’m not saying to trust him. I’m suggesting that Ukraine calls his bluff. Again, how does Ukraine benefit from continuing down its current path? At best, it survives on a fraction of its territory, weaker both economically and militarily, and remains continuously at the threat of further Russian invasion. That may still happen even if it agrees not to join NATO, but at least then it would prove to the world that the war is a territorial grab. And, if there is even the smallest chance that it avoids a bloody conflict, surely Ukraine should take that chance.

The world knows it’s a territorial grab already. No one is falling for Putin’s lies. It’s nothing to do with NATO.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I ain't saying that am i?
All I've said is he's telling everyone to stay out of it.
No fucker wants to bow down to him.
I have a cousin who's been fighting in Avdiivka since 2015 against Russian backed troops.
They certainly ain't bowing down.

And neither should the rest of the world.

Everybody, and nation, has pain points. Now they need to be pushed…and hard!

If Putin is successful in installing a pro-Russian puppet, then we undermine Russia and Ukraine with every tool at our disposal.

Just as no-one really believed Perestroika would eventually dismantle the USSR and create new democracies, so Putin will not be around for ever to hold together his wet dream.

Until that day, western democracies should isolate him and his country in every conceivable way and undermine them while we are at it.

 

[SWP's back]

Ah great. Nice knowing you lot, well, some of you.

 

[Homar]

Good one!

Tell me again…

What egregious action did Ukraine do that “brought about this invasion”?

And, who do they talk to about “negotiating its way out”?

What are you talking about? Where did I say that Ukraine did anything wrong?

 

[Indaparkside]

I think you misunderstood. I’m not saying to trust him. I’m suggesting that Ukraine calls his bluff. Again, how does Ukraine benefit from continuing down its current path? At best, it survives on a fraction of its territory, weaker both economically and militarily, and remains continuously at the threat of further Russian invasion. That may still happen even if it agrees not to join NATO, but at least then it would prove to the world that the war is a territorial grab. And, if there is even the smallest chance that it avoids a bloody conflict, surely Ukraine should take that chance.

Why because my brothers bigger than yours where will he stop you can’t let a bully do as he wants WIN or LOSE

 

[RandomJ]

And if he does, then there will be nothing left of Russia. He’s not that crazy

I actually wonder about that. Something makes me think he wouldn't mind going out like that knowing he's taking the whole world with him.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

And if he does, then there will be nothing left of Russia. He’s not that crazy

There’s not much there now, so it wouldn’t take much!

The most difficult part would be targeting the crap that spread all over the place!

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that!

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Yeah, that Hitler fella had his faults, but boy was he tenacious, organized and good at following through….

SAID NO-ONE EVER!!

WTAF are you thinking? The man is ORDERING THE MURDER OF INNOCENTS TO ADVANCE HIS DESIRE TO TURN BACK THE HISTORICAL CLOCK!!

He is a fucking murderous madman with ZERO redeeming qualities. ZERO!!!

Your right on every front and I totally agree but it's just my opinion of the guy and others like him on a football forum, calm down.

 

[SWP's back]

Exactly.
Putin has been at it for 15 years including invasions of Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine by proxies. He’s shot down an airliner with minimal consequences. He’s launched an information war against the US and U.K. which is likely to have helped enable the election of Trump and maybe swung our EU vote for Brexit. He’s launched a biological attack on the U.K. that killed a U.K. citizen. In the meantime he’s hosted the Winter Olympics and the World Cup. It’s absolutely no surprise to anyone that takes notice that he’s taken this next step. Acceding to any bullshit Russian demands will simply encourage him to go further. If he succeeds in his aims without significant consequence, Georgia and Moldova will be next and we can only hope that the NATO alliance stands firm to prevent him attacking the Baltic states or Poland. It’s now clear where Trump’s disdain for NATO originated. Thank fuck he’s not still in charge in the US. It’s about time some people woke up to what is happening.

This post should be a sticky.

 

[Indaparkside]

There’s not much there now, so it wouldn’t take much!

The most difficult part would be targeting the crap that spread all over the place!

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that!

If and it’s a big if he goes into Poland the shit really would hit the fan all of Europe and the uk will be involved