Russian invasion of Ukraine

johnnytapia said:
Big, big difference this time. And it’s mushroom-shaped.
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Johnny. Its also more likely hypersonic shaped. Whilst the Yanks thought about the unit cost in the last few years the Russians and their close allies have developed and tested functional hypersonic missiles. They have the upper tactical hand in any conflict short of nuclear war.

My understanding is that there hypersonic missiles fly in oxygen rich atmosphere at low level, are basically undetectable and are perfect for sitting duck targets like aircraft carriers. The kinetic energy discharge as well as the munition explosion is horrific and there is no radiation.

just bloody frightening and folk seem more interested in where the Chumps Lge final will be played.
 
west didsblue said:
Unfortunately the vast majority of them only know what Putin wants them to hear.
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It's no 1950 any more. Russia has the internet, they have access to outside news sources, the iron curtain hasn't existed for 30 years - they found ways to get news from the outside during the height of Stalin's reign, they have it in abundance now.

If they believe the propaganda it's because they choose to.
 
Conscription? just askin'....your billionaires need you. On second thoughts, they dont,probably have plans to repeat the covid mega-ripoff and out-source the armed forces. Under the supreme command of a bent and twisted putin puppet, whose clown costume has been exposed as a disguise for a deadly serious threat to democracy. Singapore on Thames, or Londongrad, Downing street or Berchtesgarden? Nothing a full-on national uprising wouldn't sort out.
As f'kin if....
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Would be the most shameful sell-out since we let the Nazis take Czechoslovakia in 1938.
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Yes. Neville Chamberlain talked about the Czech crisis as "a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing." Those excuses were weak then and don't apply at all today. But sadly the similarity is that Might will be right once again. Remember Hungary in 1956.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
They do have my sympathy, because 'ordinary' people just want to work, provide for their families and try to enjoy life the best they can.

Putin has that country in an iron fist because of the lengths he is prepared to go with ordinary people.

Yes, history is littered with the dead bodies of those people who were brave enough to take a stand, but most people who talk about uprising and the glory of war, have never seen those horrors up close.
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Yep. It's like blaming the German people for Hitler doing what he did. Sure, he got voted in in the first place but it wasn't just they who he managed to dupe. He duped governments such as our own into thinking he wasn't that bad and wasn't after world domination, as evidenced by your post about what happened with Czechoslovakia in 1938. And if anyone in Germany did have the balls to try and challenge him, they invariably ended up dead.
 
Chippy_boy said:
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The real dropped ball was the west not spelling out exactly and clearly to Putin just how bad the economic and political consequences would be for Russia and Putin, BEFORE he invaded. We needed to convince him that for him PERSONALLY, it would be a very bad idea. But instead we pussy-footed around with wishy-washy half threats, and he has taken the gamble that he can get away with it, and from where I'm sitting, he's probably right.
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Agree
Sanctions so far have been pathetic. In fact they are so pathetic they have emboldened Putin to go ahead.
 
domalino said:
No, no, no, none of this "poor helpless 400 million russians" nonsense.

Ukrainian bodies are lying in the streets, if the Russian public don't want the consequences of that then they can stop it. Putin's bringing up pre-1917 Russian borders, the people can remind him why 1917 is the bookend for that era of history.

They are responsible for him and the actions he makes in their name.
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The man is a dictator, with the full machinery of the military and media at his disposal.

They see and hear what they are told and if they dare otherwise, most ordinary people will be vanished.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Would be the most shameful sell-out since we let the Nazis take Czechoslovakia in 1938.
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AliBobbyJ said:
Yes. Neville Chamberlain talked about the Czech crisis as "a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing." Those excuses were weak then and don't apply at all today. But sadly the similarity is that Might will be right once again. Remember Hungary in 1956.
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FWIW I believe the prevailing view of historians now is that appeasement bought Europe 3 years to rearm and prepare for war without which we'd have lost.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The man is a dictator, with the full machinery of the military and media at his disposal.

They see and hear what they are told and if they dare otherwise, most ordinary people will be vanished.
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As opposed to the Tsars, who were democratic leaders without any military?

I don't know if you've look around lately but theirs not many dictators left, and they didn't go peacefully, they got deposed.

If 400,000,000 Russians were against what Putin's doing, he'd be gone.
 
M18CTID said:
Yep. It's like blaming the German people for Hitler doing what he did. Sure, he got voted in in the first place but it wasn't just them who he managed to dupe. He duped governments such as our own into thinking he wasn't that bad and wasn't after world domination, as evidenced by your post about what happened with Czechoslovakia in 1938. And if anyone in Germany did have the balls to try and challenge him, they invariably ended up dead.
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I have a good friend in Moscow he's told me that they all hate Putin, call him the coward dwarf.
But they won't say anything publicly against him. Too scared.
 
Social media wars have started, lots of russian twitter pages posting videos of surrendering solidiers or tanks being allowed through the border by gaurds.

Ukrainian reporters told that targeted messages sent to soldiers saying the goveremt has left and abondonded them so go home and you will be safe from death.

Propoganda war well in full force from the russians
 
Bill Walker said:
Agree
Sanctions so far have been pathetic. In fact they are so pathetic they have emboldened Putin to go ahead.
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When our best hope is for morally bankrupt rich people to suddenly grow a conscience and stop taking Russian money you know we're fucked. I bet most of the cunts would rather see the world end than their bank balance dip.
 
Bill Walker said:
Agree
Sanctions so far have been pathetic. In fact they are so pathetic they have emboldened Putin to go ahead.
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Absolutely.

In my post, I effectively said it was too late now. But I am not sure that is necessarily correct. IF - and it's a very big IF - we were to come out right now with the biggest ever set of FUCK OFF sanctions, literally throwing everything possible at him, then I think it could be possible to limit him to only taking Donetsk and Luhansk, and not a wholesale invasion.

But these sanctions would need to be announced like right now, before it's too late. And I don't think we will, and therefore he will just take the rest of Ukraine whilst we standby and watch, muttering about how terrible it is.
 
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