Russian invasion of Ukraine

marcus said:
What sort of sanctions ?
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Literally everything possible. Seizing all assets of anyone Russian in any bank (probably illegal, so can't see that happening); stopping ALL trade (like buying and selling nothing, no oil, gas, BMWs or spare parts); stopping all movements.

And how about hacking with ransomware all their institutions and companies? They seem to do that to us with impunity on a daily basis.

Basically we would need to throw the kitchen sink at it, with a message that says "Your regime is finished if you carry on with this".
 
domalino said:
FWIW I believe the prevailing view of historians now is that appeasement bought Europe 3 years to rearm and prepare for war without which we'd have lost.
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I don't know how far British rearmament went between the spring of 1939 when German troops entered Prague and the invasion of Poland 6 months later but it is true that the Commonwealth nations might not have come to GB's aid so enthusiastically in 1938. Anyway back on Ukraine the West isn't going to be any more ready to take on Putin in three years time than they are right now. The best we can hope for is dogged Ukrainian resistance and the Russian people rising up against the madman.

No, check that, what's needed is a CIA sniper with a single bullet.
 
domalino said:
Ban all business and trade with Russia or Russian companies.

Delist all Russian companies from the stock exchange.

Expel all known allies of Putin in the country and seize their assets.

Remove Russia from the global banking system.

You get the UK, US, France, Germany to commit to that and Russia is back to the 90's in a month.
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Russia has sold all its assets, it's in cash already.

Bitcoin took a huge hit over the last few months - I would not be surprised at all if a lot of that selling was coming from Russia.
 
domalino said:
As opposed to the Tsars, who were democratic leaders without any military?

I don't know if you've look around lately but theirs not many dictators left, and they didn't go peacefully, they got deposed.

If 400,000,000 Russians were against what Putin's doing, he'd be gone.
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Say 200,000,000 Russians are against Putin and 200,000,000 aren't? How many ordinary people are expendable to get the desired outcome?

Putin can only be removed by the inside, I don't consider it mutually exclusive not to have sympathy for millions of ordinary Russians who would need to die as a result.
 
Coatigan said:
It is Ukraine. Not The Ukraine.

Not aimed at just you, and apologies for what seems a petty and meaningless remark. It isn't. It is pretty fucking significant, particularly at this point when it's entire sovereignty and identity is being fannied about with.
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Yeah seen ukrainians go on a lot about this recently the 'the' takes away it's nationhood and makes it sound like a region not a nation
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Russia has sold all its assets, it's in cash already.

Bitcoin took a huge hit over the last few months - I would not be surprised at all if a lot of that selling was coming from Russia.
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Cash is worth nothing if you can't spend it. That's why you cut them off from world trade. Billions in the bank don't mean anything if you can't buy food or cars or medicine with it.
 
Coatigan said:
It is Ukraine. Not The Ukraine.

Not aimed at just you, and apologies for what seems a petty and meaningless remark. It isn't. It is pretty fucking significant, particularly at this point when it's entire sovereignty and identity is being fannied about with.
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I had to cringe when the political and journalistic pygmy that is Naga Munchetty said on national TV this morning (of Ukrakian traffic jams) "the morning traffic in Russia is not normally like this".
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The closer the missiles are on launch the less chance there is of them being shot down by any ballistic missile defence system.
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I still don't think it would be at all sensible to risk deploying one of our two seaborne assets into a sea in Russia's back yard with a single narrow entry point. Whilst the Turks who control the Bosphorus are part of NATO I wouldn't trust Erdogan as far as I could throw him.
 
domalino said:
Cash is worth nothing if you can't spend it. That's why you cut them off from world trade. Billions in the bank don't mean anything if you can't buy food.
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Agreed, but I just think they have stockpiled for this and it's been planned for years.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It shouldn't be overlooked that invading forces are entering Ukraine from Belarus - action against Russia must include Belarus too
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Are they not Russian forces though? they have had a huge military presence and bases there for years. If it is Russian troops, how would Belarus stop them.
 
urban genie said:
Yeah seen ukrainians go on a lot about this recently the 'the' takes away it's nationhood and makes it sound like a region not a nation
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The Netherlands
The UAE
The USA
The Peoples Republic Of China
The Congo

"The" is used loads of times to describe loads of different countries, obviously there is some background to this but all I am doing is pointing out that it's not unusual.
 
Current population of Russia 144 million.

Not sure why they need so much space for what is basically twice the UKs population. They could have a buffer zone all the way inside their border.
 
Coatigan said:
Are they not Russian forces though? they have had a huge military presence and bases there for years. If it is Russian troops, how would Belarus stop them.
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Yeah,Russian.....been a build up of troops in Mazyr,Belarus.
As already stated,they need dealing with as well.
 
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