Russian invasion of Ukraine

Manchester_lalala said:
It doesn’t really make sense. I don’t think you can rule out that he’s unwell and every decision he’s making is coming from a broken man. He’ll get a part of Ukraine, but anything after that, NATO will be involved. Thousands of Russian and NATO troops dead, for what?
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i dont think it would result in thousands of NATO and Russian solders dead,is he crazy enough to light the nuclear fuse,i think he is and even the santions may push him over the edge when they get a grip
 
Bald fraud said:
What have they said?
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Sitting on the fence wont support russia or call it an invasion and ask all to show restraint and resume diplomacy

Altohugh they did tell america to fuck off as they haven't forgiven NATO for bombing their embassy in the old yugoslavia.

 
petrusha said:
There have been protests across Russia this evening. Not on a huge scale, but hundreds of people in towns and cities across the country. I salute them, as it's genuinely a rather brave thing to do when you know that there's a serious risk of you being arrested by amoral thugs in uniform, beaten up, detained in horrible conditions, tainted with a criminal conviction, losing your job and then subjected to harassment in the future (along with your family) because you're on a law enforcement list of troublemakers.

Anyway, the evidence so far, and not just from unusual levels of protest, seems to be that the war isn't at all popular. No one at all that I've seen on social media - and I have hundreds and hundreds of Russian friends and contacts there - has supported it and a great many have been surprisingly vocal in opposition. I should caveat that by noting that nearly all of these people are educated, middle-class professionals in Moscow or St Petersburg, many of them with good or even fluent English. This isn't the most natural constituency of support for the regime so may not be typical.

Nonetheless, it might be dawning on people that the steps being taken in Ukraine are, whatever the President says, totally disproportionate to any right to self-defence that it's even vaguely conceivable for Russia to have. That he's gone ahead anyway shows that he's quite prepared to pursue delusional adventurism at the likely expense of the vast impoverishment of nearly all the country's population along with pariah status internationally.

It will take a long, long time for people to be on the streets in numbers that actually could threaten the regime; indeed, that time may well never come. But I've had arguments in the past, and not just a few, with Russians who claimed that, whatever his faults, Putin was at least a patriot. I contended that no patriot would act against the interests of his country's people as he does. It's sad that it's taken something so tragic, but I hope they're seeing the point now.
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‘’ ''Did you really just say that ?'’

- Great post and glad to read some of that, it gives some hope that evil will not prevail. Brave people. stay safe.
 
At least Boris Johnson has acted fast, tennis matches between Russian Oligarchs and Tory Ministers have doubled in price from £250k to £500k, go Boris!
 
domalino said:
When you capture an entire platoon (30-50 people), you don’t take a photo of 1 man.
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It depends.
It's a bit of a grey area concerning the media and POW's.

As part of the Geneva Convention/ International Red Cross, POW's are supposed to be protected from 'public curiosity' and not used for propaganda purposes.

Using a photo of one (having received first aid following injury/wounds) might be considered okay, but a photo of an entire platoon might not.

Like i said, its a grey area and open to interpretation
 
bluethrunthru said:
Question - how long will Putin be able to rely upon a largely conscript army fighting a guerilla war for a worthless pay which they have little at home to spend it on?
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The Russian standing army is now largely professional. Even the National Guard is a volunteer based organisation.
The Russian military has been totally restructured over the last 14 years.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Russia can say what they want, most of everything they say is misinformation. There was election fraud to get them in, in the first place. There was no illegal ousting as they shouldn’t have been in there to begin with.
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Erm, the protests about the election fraud were in 2004.

This guy was elected into power in 2010, over that Star Wars hair looking president lady.

Coup was in 2014.

You’re literally making things up to support your opinion here.
 
bluethrunthru said:
just got to agree to refund the £2m now
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Fucking non-stop with you

Can this thread not focus on the events in the Ukraine?

There are so many other threads to score these points

The hatred/dislike for Johnson and the Tories is widespread amongst us - but does it need to be distracting this thread?
 
BlueAnorak said:
I just don't understand the far left.
Yes NATO was against their Communist Heaven, but Russia is not the Soviet Union, it is now run by a Nationalist party led by a Dictator. It is in fact a modern Facist state.
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They’re puddled mate. Just like their counterparts at the other end of the political spectrum, they likely don’t take on board any moderate or varied views and get stuck in their own warped insular world.

The far left are as excited about Russia’s plans and the threat of WW3 as Putin is because it gets them closer to be able to enact their revolution and overthrow the Western society they hate. They aren’t to be fucking trusted at all.
 
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