Russian invasion of Ukraine

Blue Maverick said:
A truly awful thing, I hated it in the 80s, so grim, thing is now I guess literally no one will survive in the northern hemisphere they will be vaporised, the southern lot will just have a nuclear winter to deal with. If it comes to it at least it will be quick.
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Save on cremation fees every cloud and that:)
 
Anyone know of any decent websites to understand what's actually going on militarily?

I realize a lot of what is going on is secret or unknown but there must be more detail out there. The normal news outlets don't actually provide any sort of detail.

I'd like to know more about the battle for the Antonov Airport just north of Kiev. The one the Russians nabbed in the early hours this morning via paratroopers and gunships. I'd thought by now that the Ukrainians would have recaptured it as it seems like a jump too far for the Russians as it's quite a way from the borders and near the capital.
 
WestGorton said:
He needs to be assassinated. But can he be got?
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Blatantly assassinating Russia's leader in this political climate with a lot of the Russian army already deployed seems to me like a really dumb idea.
 
Stiff Little Wingers said:
It is all very much connected. There is ample evidence of Putin destabilizing the West, Brexit Russia report, US elections, Trump etc. That has been instrumental in helping create the Populist leaders and that fucking whole divide between people and even with families. There is less and less nuance, compromise, perspective, tolerance etc and countries like Russia and China exploit this.
London is awash with dirty money stolen from the Russian people. Johnson and his disaster capitalist Brexit mates are benefitting from the fact that barely nothing is owned by US the people anymore.
Johnson, Garage, Trump, Bolsonaro etc have all tolerated and benefitted from Putin and his dirty money.
What has happened so far is horrible but I hope it does not distract from getting rid of the most corrupt, amoral and untruthful PM we have ever had. Of course, the UK must be a voice for an independent Ukraine, must support the Ukrainians in their struggle but also must clean up their dirty links with Putin - but other than that, what else can we do?
So, sorry Oldham Exile, getting rid of Johnson and his corrupt acolytes is very much connected with reversing the tide of self interest trumping honesty and decency
I do hope we can support those poor Ukrainian refugees and suffering families and children that are always the unwitting casualties and as we do I hope we can also expose and condemn Johnson and the US for abandoning millions of Afghans to starve.
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The EU did Brexit all on their own.
 
Somebody has compiled a twitter list that covers most of what is going on in Ukraine, obviously take everything posted with a pinch of salt or cross reference it with other accounts to find the full truth but it paints a decent picture of what's going on inside the country:



URL (same link as the one above):
 
bluesteel said:
Well there was no vote, the protestors had most of the government buildings and the Ukrainian prime minster fled to Russia. 6 days later, the Russians, who were already leasing Crimea annexed it after a vote.

So pretty much everything you said, as usual.
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Lol, did you get that version of events off RT?

Maybe start with a murderous regime, a sham of a referendum - that is internationally rejected - but it’s ok in your head because Russia had agreements it could “lease” Crimea for their Black Sea fleet (remind me to never rent a house to you) yet an internationally recognised election result never existed.

You’re either a WUM, Russian bot or a fool.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Although I cannot stand Trump and have zero respect for him whatsoever, I genuinely believe Ukraine would not have been invaded had Trump still been president? Why? Because he would have threatened Putin with military action, possibly even a nuclear response, and he is barking mad enough that Putin would not have dared risk it.
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Absolute rubbish.
He’d have argued Putin’s case.
 
bluesteel said:
Please watch this if you want to understand the difference in opinion.

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Mearsheimer is correct to an extent, though not taken into account is the fears of the former Russian states of Russian aggression, that drives them towards NATO membership and assurance of protection.

He was right at the time, that the Ukraine should have kept it's nuclear warheads as a deterrent to Russia. Since then though the Ukraine has been caught in a Catch-22, don't join NATO and Russia invades, start the process of joining NATO and Russia invades.

The example he used in his article was the hypothetical situation of China joining Canada and Mexico in a military alliance is moot, as neither see the US as an aggressor or a threat to their sovereignty.
 
Stiff Little Wingers said:
It is all very much connected. There is ample evidence of Putin destabilizing the West, Brexit Russia report, US elections, Trump etc. That has been instrumental in helping create the Populist leaders and that fucking whole divide between people and even with families. There is less and less nuance, compromise, perspective, tolerance etc and countries like Russia and China exploit this.
London is awash with dirty money stolen from the Russian people. Johnson and his disaster capitalist Brexit mates are benefitting from the fact that barely nothing is owned by US the people anymore.
Johnson, Garage, Trump, Bolsonaro etc have all tolerated and benefitted from Putin and his dirty money.
What has happened so far is horrible but I hope it does not distract from getting rid of the most corrupt, amoral and untruthful PM we have ever had. Of course, the UK must be a voice for an independent Ukraine, must support the Ukrainians in their struggle but also must clean up their dirty links with Putin - but other than that, what else can we do?
So, sorry Oldham Exile, getting rid of Johnson and his corrupt acolytes is very much connected with reversing the tide of self interest trumping honesty and decency
I do hope we can support those poor Ukrainian refugees and suffering families and children that are always the unwitting casualties and as we do I hope we can also expose and condemn Johnson and the US for abandoning millions of Afghans to starve.
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Agreed
 
metalblue said:
Lol, did you get that version of events off RT?

Maybe start with a murderous regime, a sham of a referendum - that is internationally rejected - but it’s ok in your head because Russia had agreements it could “lease” Crimea for their Black Sea fleet (remind me to never rent a house to you) yet an internationally recognised election result never exited.

You’re either a WUM, Russian bot or a fool.
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Have you been drinking by any chance? It’s on Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution
 
ROCKET80 said:
Mearsheimer is correct to an extent, though not taken into account is the fears of the former Russian states of Russian aggression, that drives them towards NATO membership and assurance of protection.

He was right at the time, that the Ukraine should have kept it's nuclear warheads as a deterrent to Russia. Since then though the Ukraine has been caught in a Catch-22, don't join NATO and Russia invades, start the process of joining NATO and Russia invades.

The example he used in his article was the hypothetical situation of China joining Canada and Mexico in a military alliance is moot, as neither see the US as an aggressor or a threat to their sovereignty.
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But he says there was no Russian aggression until after the fact. I take it you didn’t watch that or you’re talking about some other material?
 
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