Russian invasion of Ukraine

Scoobz2 said:
Simply put India and any other democratic country that doesn't sanction Russia as per eventually the UK, US and EU on a trading blacklist, which has the same terms as that defined for Russia
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Good luck with that. Do you think the US will alienate their only ally in the sub-continent. ?
 
Sadly, its just a matter of time till Ukraine is subdued.
Sanctions simply are not strong enough to make a difference. Only expulsion from Swift will have an impact.
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
the best way out of this is if the Russian people turn on Putin so we definitely should be attacking them in ways like this. No football is a good way of furthering this aim without actually harming anyone.
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Correct, but you have responded to the millennial snowflake view.....that is fine, but will as always get nowhere other than pointless debating about human rights etc.
Germany have got some stick about swift....but Shalke instantly took Gazprom off their shirts, rest of sports teams and individuals should have already done the same and/or refused to play them.
......would also help get rid of alot of drugs cheats at same time ;)
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Get involved with air strikes on Russia , the US as well. Putin has a clear run at everything from now on, he's laughing about all this. Not sure how bothered he'll be about these sanctions
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This is the worst possible thing, short of launching a nuclear attack, we could possibly do right now.

Nuclear powers cannot go to a full blown war against each other, as the loser takes the whole world down with them.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The UK and the Europe are continuing to trade with Russia. The only real difference between us and India really are a few empty words from Johnson. That and we have banned his airline.
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They are, which is why the hoopla over SWIFT is a bit of a distraction. SWIFT is a means of payment, surely the fact we are still buying gas and other commodities from Russia is more to the point.

The sanctions against Sberbank by the US and EU are probably more effective than kicking Russia off SWIFT (not that I’m against them being kicked out as well), although I think I’m correct in saying the UK hasn’t sanctioned Sberbank yet (this may have changed) so I guess us banging on about SWIFT knowing some countries are reluctant may be a bit of theatre.
 
ell said:
Last night was chaos, they were queuing right along the front of the store, over the roundabout and back to the turn off for Broadway. I sacked it off and went this morning and it was quiet.
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Do you have to be a member to purchase fuel ?
 
Bazzmand Show said:
If it's at that point already where they need to get random blokes off the street to take up arms, then they should just stand down and make an agreement with Russia.

Particularly as no help is coming from the west on this.

There is a point where this pivots from being brave, to idiotic and reckless. If the president of Ukraine wants kids to fight, then he should be taking up arms himself.
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He doesn’t. They clarified the “no age limit” tweet to mean over 60s.
 
bluesteel said:
Sure and Putin probably is a megalomaniac.

Russia have had a military base in Crimea for centuries, it’s where they have their Black Sea fleet, and is of massive strategic import should the need come for them to defend themselves.

Since the break up of the USSR Russia have leased the naval base from Ukraine.

When it looked like the Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU and more pertinently NATO it would have meant Russia losing the naval base and having a US naval base there in it’s place.

There was also the likelihood of a US military base and missile system going into Ukraine.

These are the facts as I see them.

When Russia lost its puppet president in Ukraine in the 2014 coup, the writing was on the wall that they would join NATO as they were provisionally accepted in 2008.

Almost instantaneously they annexed Crimea, there was no way that the Russians were going to give up their strategic naval base and have a US naval base replace it, the thought of that to the Russia admirals would have been incomprehensible.

Again, straight after the pro Russian president was ousted in a violent coup in Ukraine, fighting broke out in the East of the country, where it is mainly Russian speaking and not Ukrainian speaking, where it is mainly pro Russian and not pro European. This suited Putin as it meant Ukraine couldn’t join NATO, the Ukrainian army went into the east and the Russian army went into the west, a ceasefire was agreed and there was an agreement signed.

The Russian rebels held Ukrainian land in the east, and it had by an largely died down by 2021.

Russia approached NATO, and said to NATO that they want Crimea recognised as Russian and also guarantees that Ukraine will not become a US military base by being in NATO.

NATO refused. Why? Russia moved their troops to the Ukraine border, they were clearly saying in further negotiations if you do not give us guarantees, we will invade. NATO said no, why? Why would a defensive alliance, both allow and cause the invasion of Ukraine? I’m not talking about Ukraine joining the EU here, Russia were perfectly happy for them to join the EU this is about losing Sevastopol to the US and NATO and not having a US military base in Ukraine. Why do the US need military bases and missiles next to Russia?

Honestly I’m sick of NATO and the US they are jeopardising our security not enhancing it. Seriously what next? Asking Taiwan to join?
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Thanks for your answer but I really don't know where to start, but it's your believe and I don't have the time nor inclination to discuss as you are set in your ways which is your prerogative. Let's hope that a ceasefire is called very quickly, lasts and that Putin realises that his actions are indefensible to all except a minority
 
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