Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Churchlawtonblue]

To an airbase in Poland near the border, then by road or train from there, simple logistics really.

I suppose nothing is risk free now.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Not arguing and sincerely hope he's right, just saying it's a very big ask to do in a few days.

These are unprecedented times for the Ukraine mate, we need unprecedented and tough actions

 

[Chris in London]

Just wondered if anyone on here had any ideas as to how the western governments are going to get these new armament shipments to Ukraine, are we just going to fly them in? That would seem very risky to me, but what other way is there?

I don’t think it is. If you imagine Ukraine as a clock face, the Russians are operating (clockwise) from about 11 o’clock in the north through to around 7 o’clock in the south. There is a pretty wide pathway to get to Kyiv at the moment.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Just wondered if anyone on here had any ideas as to how the western governments are going to get these new armament shipments to Ukraine, are we just going to fly them in? That would seem very risky to me, but what other way is there?

Via Poland I would have thought

 

[Blootoof]

Once they strorm through France

Everyone in Fallowfield is up for some windmills

 

[cleavers]

Imagine shooting down a NATO supply jet as a Russian military force. They'd know not to touch them or they bring the whole of NATO in and Putin does not want any excuse to do so.

They won't fly them direct into Ukraine, far easier to airbases nearby, then transport by road or train, obviously a risk, but we won't put aircraft and crews at greater risk.

 

[meltonblue]

He’s now deleted it but that’s the advice a Tory mp gave for Ukrainians (they’d still need to go through the whole visa application process for either, even if they have family here)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Poor man wanna be rich - rich man wanna be king - king ain't satisfied until he rules everything - Putins mentality in a nutshell

 

[hello]

Just wondered if anyone on here had any ideas as to how the western governments are going to get these new armament shipments to Ukraine, are we just going to fly them in? That would seem very risky to me, but what other way is there?

We will fly them into Poland predominantly and drive them into Ukraine

 

[grunge]

Holy crap.
Wonder if an ammo dump got hit or if this is carpet bombing.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Putin is laughing at all of us. We've voted in weak willed clowns to govern us and, coupled with everyone turning into wet fanny wipes over covid, we've created a perfect storm where Russia can do what the fuck they want without fear of consequence or retribution.

Demonstrably false.

This is what happens when you fixate on wokism, inclusivity, diversity and social justice. Light your candles, unfurl your banners, march down the street, tearfully applaud Footballers.

Ah, so THAT’S who you are.
Got it.

Putin doesn't give a fuck.

Not that it has anything to do with the other things you said, but why do you believe that?

You sound like you are completely NOT “fixate(d) on wokism, inclusivity, diversity and social justice,” so I’m just wondering what YOUR ideas are on the numerous issues upon which you have touched.

You sound like you would be tougher, more aggressive. How would that play out? In what way?

It’s amusing that you think the West is drunk at the wheel on “wokism, inclusivity, diversity and social justice,” and you appear to think this somehow stops an effective response. I believe the lawyers call this “facts not in evidence!”

 

[SWP's back]

Put it into a trust probably be able get it back later

Not how a trust works mate, he either retains future control (in which case the trust wrapper doesn’t shield it from being stripped from him) or he relinquished any future control in full (in which case he’s ‘gifted’ it and they aren’t his assets).

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You asked a question about the origins of the russian air force planes into belarus, russia was the answer, one came from the moscow area, the other only appeared near the belarus border, so don't really know.

However even the russians have their transponders turned on, on some aircraft anyway, most NATO (western) have them on, even the fighters, the UK has had 3 fighter jets in the area tonight, and 2 tankers, plus another who I don't know what it was doing, as it flew east did 3 circuits at high level near Katowice then headed home.

You can watch this on flightradar24.com

I responded to a poster who appeared to be concluding there was nothing in the air based off of flight radar and said it was a false picture and what I believe to be the reasons why.

Are those reasons incorrect?

You then responded to me with a point that wasn't entirely germane, unless the no-fly zone would also include Belarus.

Would I be correct in assuming that NATO (Western) aircraft most likely have their transponders on in order to avoid a case of mistaken identity and being shot down by Ukrainian or Russian forces?

Is it correct to say that Military planes don't announce their positions unless there is no disadvantage to doing so or it is advantageous for reasons such as those above?

Can we even rely on the troop carrier movement in to Belarus information?

 

[meltonblue]

Not how a trust works mate, he either retains future control (in which case the trust wrapper doesn’t shield it from being stripped from him) or he relinquished any future control in full (in which case he’s ‘gifted’ it and they aren’t his assets).

He’s done the former, it was a pretty meaningless statement. Think it’s just him trying his best to make people not look at if he was to be sanctioned…

 

[grunge]

Just wondered if anyone on here had any ideas as to how the western governments are going to get these new armament shipments to Ukraine, are we just going to fly them in? That would seem very risky to me, but what other way is there?

check out flight radar or “plane finder” app. Plane finder show icons for who owns the planes and there are quite a few US/UK and others. Have seen a Turkish one that land around rzeszows near the Ukrainian border.

 

[hello]

Not how a trust works mate, he either retains future control (in which case the trust wrapper doesn’t shield it from being stripped from him) or he relinquished any future control in full (in which case he’s ‘gifted’ it and they aren’t his assets).

But if it’s the latter and he does get asset stripped he’s going to want his 1.5 or whatever bn back pdq to maintain his lifestyle

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Just wondered if anyone on here had any ideas as to how the western governments are going to get these new armament shipments to Ukraine, are we just going to fly them in? That would seem very risky to me, but what other way is there?

 

[west didsblue]

I responded to a poster who appeared to be concluding there was nothing in the air based off of flight radar and said it was a false picture and what I believe to be the reasons why.

Are those reasons incorrect?

You then responded to me with a point that wasn't entirely germane, unless the no-fly zone would also include Belarus.

Would I be correct in assuming that NATO (Western) aircraft most likely have their transponders on in order to avoid a case of mistaken identity and being shot down by Ukrainian or Russian forces?

Is it correct to say that Military planes don't announce their positions unless there is no disadvantage to doing so or it is advantageous for reasons such as those above?

Can we even rely on the troop carrier movement in to Belarus information?

Military aircraft in combat areas use a different transponder mode that is encrypted so they can identify each other but the enemy can’t, and neither can Flight Radar.

 

[andyhinch]

Demonstrably false.


Ah, so THAT’S who you are.
Got it.


Not that it has anything to do with the other things you said, but why do you believe that?

You sound like you are completely NOT “fixate(d) on wokism, inclusivity, diversity and social justice,” so I’m just wondering what YOUR ideas are on the numerous issues upon which you have touched.

You sound like you would be tougher, more aggressive. How would that play out? In what way?

It’s amusing that you think the West is drunk at the wheel on “wokism, inclusivity, diversity and social justice,” and you appear to think this somehow stops an effective response. I believe the lawyers call this “facts not in evidence!”

No evidence of him anymore either :-)

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

Romania too.

I wonder how easy it is to change the rules on the Visa? I assume it’s more complicated than just saying “we sympathise with you, come on in”?

Also where would they go? Some would have families to stay with but others wouldn’t. Do we have a plan on where we would put those without families already here? I know there are hotels housing Afghans who’ve come over recently, do we have more places like that to take them in?

I know it’s an emotive situation and we’d ideally want to open the door to them coming over, but is that too simplistic a way of thinking about things?

As a country we have to share the burden for refugees, it is as simple as that.