Russian invasion of Ukraine

I am sure this conflict is having a disproportionate effect on those of us who experience mental health issues.
Having said that I wouldn’t use BM to alleviate those fears.
I genuinely feel sorry for some posters on here who are visibly suffering.
To try and help though think of the following:
* I would like to think that there are skilled diplomats on both sides using back channels to try and reach a compromise.
* I cannot see China supporting Putins use of any Nuclear arsenal.
* Although it’s difficult to envisage an end game at the moment we are some way off from global annihilation.

The vast majority of the World had become united in a way that didn’t seem possible.
Whatever the outcome we could well see a whole new world after this.
 
Colin Bells Holdall said:
Why ?
NATO is made up of the EU and the UK plus the yanks and seem to be doing just fine.
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NATO includes Norway and several ex soviet states.
www.nato.int

What is NATO?

An introduction to NATO that provides basic information on what NATO is, member countries, the Alliance's key activities and how it functions. NATO's general evolution is shown in video and links to more in-depth information are provided throughout.
www.nato.int www.nato.int
 
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west didsblue said:
That's double the number of US troops lost in Afghanistan over 20 years, and that's 4 days in!
If those numbers are anywhere near real and not just propaganda there's only two ways this can go. End of Putin or it goes WMD.
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I have a hard time believing Russia have lost 5400 in 4 days and Ukraine are about 200-300.
 
Peace talks? Pull your forces out, give Ukraine billions in reparations, have soldiers assist in repairing the physical damages, agree to nuclear disarmament (at least the ICBM's) apologise profusely, raise no objections to Ukraine joining NATO and/or the EU, fuck off in silence until you die.

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Octavian said:
I have a hard time believing Russia have lost 5400 in 4 days and Ukraine are about 200-300.
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Oh I can! :)

They're fighting a 2020's war with 1980's tactics. Mobile forces armed with multiple javelin's and stinger's fighting a guerilla war are a chaotic nuisance. They expected a Seelow Heights scenario with tank superiority winning the day and it's not how it's turned out.
 
uweuweuwe said:
Can someone explain to me why the Russians seem to keep running out of petrol? Seen videos of farmers stealing armoured vehicles that had been abandoned because they had run out. Two Russian lads captured because they knocked on a police station asking for fuel and a Georgian tanker telling a Russian ship to go fuck themselves when they asked if they could have some fuel. Is it bad luck, supply lines being cut or are the Russian army not the elite force they've been telling us.
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Supply lines. Russian army very short of lorries, tankers etc because they rely on railways.
 
metalblue said:
Russia has about 400 ICBMs that are estimated to carry about 1200 warheads.

Obviously depending on targets it is estimated that one warhead kills 150,000 and injures 93,000. If all got through it would mean about 204m people are killed and 130m are injured in the west probably less for Russia given its sheer size and population distribution although most are on the western side. So you have a 21% chance of dying and 13% chance of being injured in the west and probably 70+% chance of being wiped out if you are in Russia. Although modern missiles are far more accurate so instead of targeting cities for value they are just as likely to target military installations which would significantly reduce that - estimated to be between 51-88m deaths for the west and Russia. Obviously life will be pretty shit for those that survive for some time so let’s hope we can stop arguing over borders and start agreeing over humanity.
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That 400 ICBMs has been put at nearly 1600. That number was banded about at the weekend.

www.telegraph.co.uk

What nuclear weapons does Russia hold and how likely is Vladimir Putin to use them?

The Russian president has raised the spectre of a nuclear war in Europe. Here's what we know and what might happen next
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
Metal Biker said:
Oh I can! :)

They're fighting a 2020's war with 1980's tactics. Mobile forces armed with multiple javelin's and stinger's fighting a guerilla war are a chaotic nuisance. They expected a Seelow Heights scenario with tank superiority winning the day and it's not how it's turned out.
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The Ukraine are sadly desperate, I’d be surprised if they weren’t completely fudging the numbers to boost morale.
 
Octavian said:
I have a hard time believing Russia have lost 5400 in 4 days and Ukraine are about 200-300.
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I think you have to bear in mind the nature of Russia's strategy, which was to overtake the country without too much collateral damage. They obviously thought they would just march in unopposed and now don't know which way to go, both from a command point of view in Moscow and at the sharp end on the ground. They're sitting ducks and that will be demoralising for their troops so whilst the numbers might be exaggerated it would still be terrible at 25% of those numbers.
 
JASR said:
Ta for link.

it’s like reading recent history.
no wonder putin was confident about Ukraine , he’s achieved all before - weaken uk from Europe, weaken Europe, divide to the nth degree the US.
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We’re closer to Europe than we’ve been for many many years, and we are seeing a Europe we could be an engaged/active part of.
 
The blue phantom said:
That 400 ICBMs has been put at nearly 1600. That number was banded about at the weekend.

www.telegraph.co.uk

What nuclear weapons does Russia hold and how likely is Vladimir Putin to use them?

The Russian president has raised the spectre of a nuclear war in Europe. Here's what we know and what might happen next
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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No mate, each missile carries more than one warhead. From article they quote

“Moscow’s war chest includes 527 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and strategic bombers.”
 
Protein Junkie said:
I am sure this conflict is having a disproportionate effect on those of us who experience mental health issues.
Having said that I wouldn’t use BM to alleviate those fears.
I genuinely feel sorry for some posters on here who are visibly suffering.
To try and help though think of the following:
* I would like to think that there are skilled diplomats on both sides using back channels to try and reach a compromise.
* I cannot see China supporting Putins use of any Nuclear arsenal.
* Although it’s difficult to envisage an end game at the moment we are some way off from global annihilation.

The vast majority of the World had become united in a way that didn’t seem possible.
Whatever the outcome we could well see a whole new world after this.
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Massive palpitations last couple of days especially since this nuclear stuff not nice at all.
 
Chris in London said:
Don't mention the B word.

And certainly don't mention where the Leave campaign got its money from.

And don't mention the Russia report.

And don't even think about mentioning why it played into Russia's interests for Britain to withdraw from the EU.
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Mention it to your heart's delight, shout it from the rooftops. Remind all forever if you feel like it.

Just please don't do it on this thread here unless absolutely relevant to the ongoing situation, or it will derail it to lengthy side bickering.
 
Octavian said:
The Ukraine are sadly desperate, I’d be surprised if they weren’t completely fudging the numbers to boost morale.
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They were desperate. Now it's the Russians feeling the pinch. The fact the Russians were claiming zero casualties when we saw the charred bodies and tanks and are reluctant to release casualty figures should be telling.
 
metalblue said:
Russia has about 400 ICBMs that are estimated to carry about 1200 warheads.

Obviously depending on targets it is estimated that one warhead kills 150,000 and injures 93,000. If all got through it would mean about 204m people are killed and 130m are injured in the west probably less for Russia given its sheer size and population distribution although most are on the western side. So you have a 21% chance of dying and 13% chance of being injured in the west and probably 70+% chance of being wiped out if you are in Russia. Although modern missiles are far more accurate so instead of targeting cities for value they are just as likely to target military installations which would significantly reduce that - estimated to be between 51-88m deaths for the west and Russia. Obviously life will be pretty shit for those that survive for some time so let’s hope we can stop arguing over borders and start agreeing over humanity.
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Not sure how helpful this is TBH. Assuming all the figures are accurate, and we can be 99% sure they aren't. Plus, if they "only" have 400 ICBMs, what are the other 6,400 nukes they own for exactly? I am guessing they have some other method of deploying them or else there's no point in having them.
 
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