Russian invasion of Ukraine

mosssideblue said:
Top tips for a nuc weapon detonating in your vicinity:

1. Put earplugs in your ears (or put your fingers in your ears). The noise will be very loud and it may rupture your eardrums, which, if you have experienced before, is painful.

2. Wear sun glasses. The blast will be very bright and you could end up with arc eye. Worse, you may experience loss of sight.

3. Under no circumstances, wear anything nylon as it will melt and burn your skin.

Thank you :)
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That’s got to be from Viz!
 
I remember in the early 80s as a kid hearing the air raid sirens regularly being tested in the event of a nuclear attack.

It was terrifying to hear and I would have terrible dreams of me being stuck at school and whether I could run the three miles to home in four minutes and get to say goodbye to my folks.

Stupid, I know. Goodness knows how the people of Ukraine deal with this very real nightmare.
 
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twosips said:
One of those easier said than done things really. You either can do it, or you can't.
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Yeah I realise it’s a little like telling somebody with depression to just cheer up, but I like the idea behind it - if not always that useful in practise
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
My Dad said the same this weekend. You weren’t a dick to vote Leave. You may well have done so because it benefitted you as an individual or your business, or you may have been lead on by the Leave campaign. But knowing you as a poster on here you don’t come across as one of those Leave dicks that there are out there.

Me and my Father have always been critical of what the EU became. It’s a right funny entity that often serves itself to the detriment to many of its individual members, when the entity itself doesn’t really hold any real power so what’s the point of it serving itself as an entity? If it was just a trade bloc it would be perfect but it has become more than that when it shouldn’t really be… it should just be a customs union and not much else.

I’m always trying to find positives about the situation (any situation to be honest!) we found ourselves in after leaving, and in some small respects there are ways in which it’s better to be out than in, and there are a few wider scopes that can benefit us as an individual nation not being in the EU long term. However, overall, we were better off in the EU, especially in the short term. The smooth does override the rough you get with being a member and a united Europe is always better full stop.

Britain leaving the EU… and USA leaving NATO… were definitely Russian rooted plans to weaken the West.

My Dad got sucked in by the Leave campaign, and him and my Mother voted Leave. I voted Remain, for the main reasons of:
Wasn’t sure what my workers rights would be after the EU ones were scrapped
It would cause too much upheaval
It was too soon after the 2007/08 financial crash (and we were just starting to see annual GDP rises in the years before the referendum)
And I didn’t trust the Austerity Tories to take us out of it to the economic benefit of the country.

I think this situation we’re in now shows us how much better it is to be together with other countries in the West in whatever union that’s part of. How easy would it be to rejoin the EU? If it was just a customs union we could probably rejoin very easily but because the EU started branching out more widely, and they’re a fucking nightmare to work with from the outside, it might be quite difficult.

I reckon another referendum with the Rejoin campaign really looking towards strength in unity with Western/NATO allies, focusing on the anti-Russian misinformation root that fed the original Leave campaign, and some patriotism which always gets hold of the majority of voters in this (or any) country… it would easily win.

But I’m not sure it will happen. However, even more importantly than the EU, we are part of NATO so as long as we have that I’m happy and maybe the EU can come at another time.
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Some rewriting of history on this thread.
France was in favour of junking NATO in favour of EU defence until this kicked off. Germany wanted a joint defensive arrangement. EU not usque ad unum. For defence trust NATO first.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The entire thread is a complete waste of time on that basis. Which I guess it is.

Other than to convey news perhaps? But as to anyone posting an opinion on anything? Waste of time, following your logic.
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Most of the thread is news and updates and people speculating about Putin’s next moves or how boss the Ukrainians are.

There’s not much evidence to say we’ll all die in a nuclear Holocaust so I think it’s pretty meaningless to discuss at this stage. We cannot affect or escape it if it happens and the UN have confirmed there’s no physical change to Russia’s deployment. It’s just words at this point to help the **** negotiate
 
Octavian said:
Most of the thread is news and updates and people speculating about Putin’s next moves or how boss the Ukrainians are.

There’s not much evidence to say we’ll all die in a nuclear Holocaust so I think it’s pretty meaningless to discuss at this stage. We cannot affect or escape it if it happens and the UN have confirmed there’s no physical change to Russia’s deployment. It’s just words at this point to help the **** negotiate
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Agree with all of that, and in fact never suggested otherwise.
 
mosssideblue said:
Top tips for a nuc weapon detonating in your vicinity:

1. Put earplugs in your ears (or put your fingers in your ears). The noise will be very loud and it may rupture your eardrums, which, if you have experienced before, is painful.

2. Wear sun glasses. The blast will be very bright and you could end up with arc eye. Worse, you may experience loss of sight.

3. Under no circumstances, wear anything nylon as it will melt and burn your skin.

Thank you :)
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4. Jump 200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I remember in the early 80s as a kid hearing the air raid sirens regularly being tested in the event of a nuclear attack.

It was terrifying to hear and I would have terrible dreams of me being stuck at school and whether I could run the three miles from to home in four minutes and get to say goodbye to my folks.

Stupid, I know. Goodness knows how the people of Ukraine deal with this very real nightmare.
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If you are ever in a position to have to worry about being able to run three miles in four minutes I can help to allay your fears; you can't. :-)

I remember the sirens, our school had one on a tall pole; eerie sound, especially as WW2 was still reasonably fresh in our parents generations minds and by association ours.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
I wish you were wrong but suspect you are right, no matter how much I want the Ukraine to win, Russia are far to large and strong. They have too many expendable troops and weapons I fear
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It's not all doom and gloom, this clip outlines where we are. A face saving out that contains some elements of "victory" for Russia needs to be cobbled together and fast.

Question is by whom?

 
Chippy_boy said:
The really staggering thing about the endless Russian lies, is not the lies in themselves, but that they are so completely and utterly pigshit thick as to believe anyone remotely believes a word they say. Just who on planet earth are they trying to kid? Beggars belief really. They'd be better off just saying "Look, we're all cunts. We know we are. You know we are."
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Many will lap it up though. Primarily, those who wear tin foil hats. There are many of them. Including many in the far right.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
I wish you were wrong but suspect you are right, no matter how much I want the Ukraine to win, Russia are far to large and strong. They have too many expendable troops and weapons I fear
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You know that Russia are massively outnumbered?

Russia's invasion force is 150,000. Ukraine's army is 250,000, and they've got their trained reserves of 200,000 activated.

That's not including the conscripts/civilian militias being enlisted in that last couple of weeks.

As for expendable weapons...Ukraine is getting so many weapons from all over the world they won't be able to use them all.
 
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