Russian invasion of Ukraine

[west didsblue]

If Ukraine had been part of NATO WW3 would have been fought by now with full nuclear exchanges.
It is NATO doctrine one in all in so every NATO country would have declared war on Russia.
As NATO is a defensive alliance it cannot get involved in non NATO conflicts.

If Ukraine had been part of NATO they would have invaded Georgia instead.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If Ukraine had been part of NATO WW3 would have been fought by now with full nuclear exchanges.
It is NATO doctrine one in all in so every NATO country would have declared war on Russia.
As NATO is a defensive alliance it cannot get involved in non NATO conflicts.

If Ukraine had been part of NATO the cowardly russian ****-bullies wouldn’t have dared step in

 

[Len Rum]

Surely the Conservative friends of Russia or Lord Leb of Siberia could help brokering a resolution of the current conflict?

 

[Sir peace frog]

If the claims from Ukraine are true that they were tipped off by Russia's own internal security services about a planned assassination attempt by Chechen special forces sent by Putin to kill Zelensky, then there is hope to be had.

It would suggest there are still powerful people in Russia who don't agree with this invasion and have considerable power and resources to turn the screw on Putin?

if they were tipped off about an assassination attempt would they really go about telling where that information had come from ? or do you think they are planting the seeds of doubt about the support to putin.

 

[metalblue]

Yeah, but publicly returning it or donating it would just highlight further how they've been influenced by foreign money all this time. Let's be honest, the fact that our political parties are taking money from foreign interests is a scandal regardless of whether this war is happening.

On this I agree. It shouldn’t happen because it opens questions. I don’t agree with our funding model for political parties full stop but that’s for a different thread and I’m not sure I have the answers either.

 

[mosssideblue]

I know bricks and mortar are far less important than people, but there are some lovely buildings being smashed to pieces.

 

[bluethrunthru]

As far as I can tell Russian demands so far have been unrealistic.

pretty sure now that Ukraine just needs to string them out - everywhere except here is confiscating oligarch's wealth - stocks in Russia are worthless and Putin has cash reserves that he can only use to shore up a collapsed rouble or continue to prosecute a war he isn't winning - either way his resources are finite and he must be under pressure at home now

 

[BringBackSwales]

I am no fighter but I can assure you if I was a UN ambassador I’d have kicked fuck out of the baldy russian **** ambassador to the UN with his disgusting lies and support of putin

 

[west didsblue]

but.....but.....but....The Mail says

STEPHEN GLOVER: Crisis shows how independent UK wields more influence

STEPHEN GLOVER: Almost no one other than the most addled Remainer could deny that Britain has independently pursued a policy in respect of Ukraine that has been both distinct and effective.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I made the mistake of clicking on the link to that steaming pile of horseshit.

 

[BringBackSwales]

pretty sue now that Ukraine just needs to string them out - everywhere except here is confiscating oligarch's wealth - stocks in Russia are worthless and Putin has cash reserves that he can only use to shore up a collapsed rouble or continue to prosecute a war he isn't winning - either way his resources are finite and he must be under pressure at home now

Interesting that bullshit boris seems to be the only one not prepared to fuck over the oligarchs. I thought his performance in Parliament yesterday was meany mouthed and pathetic

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

if they were tipped off about an assassination attempt would they really go about telling where that information had come from ? or do you think they are planting the seeds of doubt about the support to putin.

Who's to know in the fog of war? Rationale goes out the smashed out windows.

 

[west didsblue]

if they were tipped off about an assassination attempt would they really go about telling where that information had come from ? or do you think they are planting the seeds of doubt about the support to putin.

That's a reasonable point

 

[metalblue]

It's a bit dismissive to just say it's nonsense. The donations out in the open are bad enough but there's a reasonable chance that a lot more would come out if some oligarchs had their assets seized and they decided to spill the beans. Would explain the delay for them to get their assets out.

I think you’re reading a bit too much into the motivation on delay’s. Example; VTB had their assets frozen, the next day the treasury told them they had 30 days to unwind “settlements” (not sure what settlements mean in this context) - so long as such settlement didn’t break other sanctions.

The UK wants to keep playing by the rules, no wonder Putin and his ilk laughs at the west.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Only if they invade Finland.

True,but Finland are apparently sending weopanss to Ukraine.

 

[domalino]

pretty sue now that Ukraine just needs to string them out - everywhere except here is confiscating oligarch's wealth - stocks in Russia are worthless and Putin has cash reserves that he can only use to shore up a collapsed rouble or continue to prosecute a war he isn't winning - either way his resources are finite and he must be under pressure at home now

At the moment we seem to be in a race between Ukrainian Cities being levelled and Russian financial apocalypse. Can Ukraine slow the bombardment, evacuate civilians and speed up the sanctions to the point where Russia's economy is sent back to the 80's?

As civilian casualties go higher and humanitarian situation worsens surely we will cut off the rest of the Russian banks from SWIFT and stop buying Billions of $$$ of oil and gas off them per day.

 

[Coatigan]

It's breaking my heart this war! Seeing children clamouring over bombed bridges when two weeks ago life would have been pretty much normal for them. This war has really brought the horrors of war home! I hope all countries are more mindful in the future of the devastation war causes for the people that have to live it. Its all just so pointless I cannot stop watching it but it's absolutely wretching!

Yep, ditto.

All else aside, that is totally the very forefront of my emotions and thoughts.

 

[west didsblue]

I think you’re reading a bit too much into the motivation on delay’s. Example; VTB had their assets frozen, the next day the treasury told them they had 30 days to unwind “settlements” (not sure what settlements mean in this context) - so long as such settlement didn’t break other sanctions.

The UK wants to keep playing by the rules, no wonder Putin and his ilk laughs at the west.

Your faith in our government playing by the rules is touching.

I still think it's far more likely that they are giving their donors time to get the bulk of their assets away from UK jurisdiction.

 

[Scottyboi]

True,but Finland are apparently sending weopanss to Ukraine.

If only Simo Häyhä was still alive today.

 

[JASR]

Following on from my previous post about Russia's credit rating. I must have had (slightly) old news.

Fitch, Moody's slash Russia's sovereign rating to junk

Ratings agencies Fitch and Moody's downgraded Russia by six notches to "junk" status, saying Western sanctions threw into doubt its ability to service debt and would weaken the economy.

www.reuters.com

'Fitch downgraded Russia to "B" from "BBB" and placed the country's ratings on "rating watch negative". Moody's, which last week had flagged the possibility of a downgrade, also cut the country's rating by six notches, to B3 from Baa3.

Fitch said the only other precedent to such a large six-notch downgrade on a single sovereign entity was South Korea in 1997.'

Not sure what happened to SK in 1997? Pretty sure they didn't invade NK.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

I don't even drink Vodka and the Faberge egg was sold years ago.

And the vodka is probably made in Varrington