Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Lupo]

Suppose, at his age, Putin just doesn't care whether or not the world is sent into a nuclear winter?
He won't foreshorten his life by much anyway.

He does have a wife, children, grandchildren though and I would like to think that even Putin gives a shit about his offsprings futures after he has departed the mortal coil

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

China’s choice could be Armageddon or not GB

think China just weighs up whether it can get what it wants with or without Putin. 2bh, I don't really see why'd they want all the hassle of backing up Putin when they'll have close ties to Russia whoever replaced him.

 

[shemnel]

Because there is no currency remotely close to replacing the dollar as the world’s currency.

I agree, that is correct in the here and now. My point was more aimed at the future I suppose, 20 years down the line, that we could possibly start to see a shift in global reserve. E.g. the dollar has constricted ~17% (71% to 59%) of the global reserve in 20 years while China is a very new player due to their weird domestic currency laws, but grows steadily year on year (currently only ~3%, as i say this is biased by the fact they continue to hold currency domestically). China's economy is huge so you feel they have a lot more to offer.

Anyway, my point was also that we may begin to see the required structures being put in place for a decoupling of the global economy into two systems, something long predicted as China has proclaimed to want to look more domestically. I think that will all depend on 3rd parties outside of Russia/China.

 

[Bluemoon115]

Genuine question.

All the initial reports were saying Putin had made contingencies for the economic backlash, are you saying they're greater than he anticipated and the Russian economy is in real danger of toppling over?

The consensus of thinking seems to be;

He knew there would be sanctions, but didn't expect them to be this bad.
He thought the invasion would be further along by this point.

It's difficult to make too many assumptions based on that, but that's the line of thinking.

 

[bobmcfc]

That's told us - The silly c"nt.
In retaliation I'm going to smash up my Russian
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I literally had to have a think about what I own that's russian and yep I don't own a thing.

 

[Scottyboi]

Genuine question.

All the initial reports were saying Putin had made contingencies for the economic backlash, are you saying they're greater than he anticipated and the Russian economy is in real danger of toppling over?

I think his contingencies would have been for less strict sanctions as this was meant to be a quick win for him. He wanted to capture Ukraine before anything could be done about it. Now he is bogged down and the world is horrified at him the sanctions are going to cut deeper than he ever imagined.

 

[bobmcfc]

Yeah......The Nokia 3310 is getting it next.

Oh no not snake

 

[west didsblue]

China will probably, reluctantly, be forced into making a choice.
I hope they make the right one...

China already own half the world. They're not going to make a choice to reduce the value of what they own by half.

 

[Coatigan]

State of it

Aye the hammer is made in Germany.

 

[west didsblue]

Yeah......The Nokia 3310 is getting it next.

Only if they invade Finland.

 

[crazyg]

Would have liked him to mention stopping the war and be outspoken against Putin

He may find that he has an allergy to novichok if he says that.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I literally had to have a think about what I own that's russian and yep I don't own a thing.

I don't even drink Vodka and the Faberge egg was sold years ago.

 

[SWP's back]

Genuine question.

All the initial reports were saying Putin had made contingencies for the economic backlash, are you saying they're greater than he anticipated and the Russian economy is in real danger of toppling over?

I believe he thought he would face similar toothless sanctions to what he faced when he invaded Georgia and annexed Crimea. There’s not a chance he expected exactly what he’s facing right now.

The economy is shagged, absolutely shagged. Our analysts are basically righting off anything based in Russia.

 

[Elbow beards]

Genuine question.

All the initial reports were saying Putin had made contingencies for the economic backlash, are you saying they're greater than he anticipated and the Russian economy is in real danger of toppling over?

They were saying on newsnight that it doesn't matter if he amassed wealth because he can't do fuck all with it. It's like having a million quid on a desert island.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Elsewhere the Russians are currently broadcasting TV propaganda to schools about the war and how the only people who aren’t lying are the Russians. They really are a complete bunch of shits.

Fixed.

 

[bobmcfc]

I don't even drink Vodka and the Faberge egg was sold years ago.

Yeah they really aren't good for anything really.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Shame Daniel "Gone to his head" Craig killed Bond off.

 

[SWP's back]

I agree, that is correct in the here and now. My point was more aimed at the future I suppose, 20 years down the line, that we could possibly start to see a shift in global reserve. E.g. the dollar has constricted ~17% (71% to 59%) of the global reserve in 20 years while China is a very new player due to their weird domestic currency laws, but grows steadily year on year (currently only ~3%, as i say this is biased by the fact they continue to hold currency domestically). China's economy is huge so you feel they have a lot more to offer.

Anyway, my point was also that we may begin to see the required structures being put in place for a decoupling of the global economy into two systems, something long predicted as China has proclaimed to want to look more domestically. I think that will all depend on 3rd parties outside of Russia/China.

I believe the last two leaders to seriously try and get a rival currency to trade for oil with we’re Sadam Hussein and Ghaddaffi and neither lasted 24 months following that.

 

[Scottyboi]

Fingers crossed they go well.

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

I don't even drink Vodka and the Faberge egg was sold years ago.

Spoons sell a Russian beer