Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Metal Biker]

Spreading 'lies' about Russian forces in Ukraine?

That'll now be 15 years in prison for you!

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

 

[Cheesy]

Is anyone saying otherwise?

Some people on here genuinely seem to have difficulty in differenting between seeking to understand something with seeking to justify it.

The issue here (and I don't actually include you in this) is that some posters are actually giving some justification to Putin's actions through saying they are just trying to understand him.

They see this catastrophe as an opportunity for their world view to come to fruition and if a few thousand innocent lives are lost along the way then it's a price worth paying for them.

 

[Vic]

Very little talk this morning of the nuclear power plant fire/attack.

I thought that would be the main story on all outlets, but it seems a side note, woth talk revolving around opinions on Putin and upcoming summits.

Through the nigbt it felt like the thing was a pretty big threat of a huge catastrophe

A main thing on Radio 4.

Wouldn't prevailing winds take any radioactive fallout over the Russian areas and Crimea?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I hoped people could be better than giving any justification for Putin's actions.

See my post above. There is a huge difference between seeking to understand and seeking to justify. I am sure there is complete alignment on here amongst every single one of us that NOTHING justifies what Putin is doing.

But it's really important IMO to try to understand what's driven hum to do it. Without considering that, we are completely blind to what any possible resolution to the conflict may be.

 

[urban genie]

That is exactly what I should do, read twitter to get educated.

I do not know why I haven't thought of that before, it obviously works for you.

Anyone using social media to be educated on this war should stay off the internet.

Up to now known false claims

Russia took control of Odessa early on woth pictures of flags being hoisted - footage was from 2014 and Denesk
Russians wiping out the ukrainina forces of Snake Island - they all turned up alive in Odessa.
Russaia blowing up and arms factory - was a warehouse fire from china
The ghost of kyiv - footage from a video game and of an argentinain pilot
Zelensky on the front line in combat gear - all photos are from a visit to an army vamp in 2021
Little girl covered in blood on a hospital bed - was a Syrian girl from a picture 5 years ago.


All of these have been shared widely giving false stories of russian and ukrainian victories and other events, all are not true.

Twitter itls the worst place to follow this war or learn about it.

 

[Cheesy]

See my post above. There is a huge difference between seeking to understand and seeking to justify. I am sure there is complete alignment on here amongst every single one of us that NOTHING justifies what Putin is doing.

But it's really important IMO to try to understand what's driven hum to do it. Without considering that, we are completely blind to what any possible resolution to the conflict may be.

See my post above :)

 

[west didsblue]

NATO could have said NO.

Which is the whole point, NATO have been too eager to increase their membership and fuck everyone else. Was the dangers of this expansionism ever considered, doesn't look like it as it was too eager to increase its sphere of influence. By definition NATO is a defensive alliance, so why the expansionism?

Name one country that was forced to join NATO.

 

[KS55]

There are however Mansions, apartments, houses etc that have yet to be seized.

No need. What use is a mansion to an oligarch if he is barred from entering UK and his assets are frozen so he can't sell it?
It would however be neat if the emergency powers bill allocated these mansions to Ukrainian refugees.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

The issue here (and I don't actually include you in this) is that some posters are actually giving some justification to Putin's actions through saying they are just trying to understand him.

They see this catastrophe as an opportunity for their world view to come to fruition and if a few thousand innocent lives are lost along the way then it's a price worth paying for them.

Lefty posters in Blue Moon? Shirley not;)

 

[Metal Biker]

See my post above. There is a huge difference between seeking to understand and seeking to justify. I am sure there is complete alignment on here amongst every single one of us that NOTHING justifies what Putin is doing.

But it's really important IMO to try to understand what's driven hum to do it. Without considering that, we are completely blind to what any possible resolution to the conflict may be.

Well we could try explaining to Putin that his perceived fear that Zelenskyy is a neo-nazi bringing suffering to his own people and Russians living in Ukraine, are unwarranted and don't reflect reality.

This might be an issue though because, according to Macron, Putin is beyond diplomacy and bent on taking all of Ukraine. But then again, that might just be western propaganda making Putin out to be evil.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

A main thing on Radio 4.

Wouldn't prevailing winds take any radioactive fallout over the Russian areas and Crimea?

I think the way the earth revolves has more to do with it. When Chernobyl happened, it was Poland and the Scandinavian areas worst affected unless I'm mis-remembering.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The issue here (and I don't actually include you in this) is that some posters are actually giving some justification to Putin's actions through saying they are just trying to understand him.

They see this catastrophe as an opportunity for their world view to come to fruition and if a few thousand innocent lives are lost along the way then it's a price worth paying for them.

Well if that's true, I condemn that unreservedly. (Obviously!)

 

[5 Hit Gibbon]

Whilst there is some truth in what you say of course, it's interesting to note that you have only mentioned images that supposedly portray Russia in a bad light.

Not one image or mention of false propaganda from Putin. Not one.

I wonder why that would be.

Whilst talking about images of the current situation, do you think this one is fake...

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Children detained in Russia for placing flowers outside the Ukrainian embassy.

The children being detained is clearly NATO's fault!

 

[Cheesy]

Well if that's true, I condemn that unreservedly. (Obviously!)

I suspect they won't admit it!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Whilst there is some truth in what you say of course, it's interesting to note that you have only mentioned images that supposedly portray Russia in a bad light.

Not one image or mention of false propaganda from Putin. Not one.

I wonder why that would be.

Whilst talking about images of the current situation, do you think this one is fake...

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Children detained in Russia for placing flowers outside the Ukrainian embassy.

Difficult to know what to think of photos. Not saying these are staged, but ultimately no way of knowing they are not.

 

[JASR]

That is a very sad statistic, but the Berlin Wall was built 15 years after the partition of Berlin. It was political symbolism that two different political and economic entities existed is the world

In 1948, 3 years after ww2 the Soviet Union effectively isolated West Berlin from the rest of East Germany, for over a year by blocking all land travel. They wanted to force, without violence, West Berlin to capitulate.
The Berlin airlift was a year long operation to break that blockade supplying essentials to West Berlin to keep them alive/unbroken.

Many airmen lost their lives in accidents and plane failures, and some to aggressive flying by soviet ‘escorts’.

NATO was formed in 1949 just before the end of the blockade.

so NATO was formed on the back of aggressive posturing by Soviets, wanting to take part of a country that didn’t want to be taken over. I’m Getting a sense of Deja vu, albeit with deaths and destruction and a bit of MAD thrown in.

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

Difficult to know what to think of photos. Not saying these are staged, but ultimately no way of knowing they are not.

I seen the video footage. They aren't stahed ffs. The children were Hystericalcryong behind bars.

 

[M18CTID]

Funnily enough more and more members that have expressed a wish to join NATO have the same thing in common; they fear RUSSIAN expansionism.

If someone came to you begging you to protect them and you were in a position to do so, would you say no to them? Ukraine is asking to join NATO because it feared invasion from Russia. Are you suggesting that Ukraine, Sweden and Finland are 'paranoid' that Russia will invade them?

Yeah, Ukraine are definitely paranoid that Russia will invade them. Not a chance that's ever going to happen.

Oh wait.....

 

[urban genie]

Whilst there is some truth in what you say of course, it's interesting to note that you have only mentioned images that supposedly portray Russia in a bad light.

Not one image or mention of false propaganda from Putin. Not one.

I wonder why that would be.

Whilst talking about images of the current situation, do you think this one is fake...

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Image 244594-kids hosted on ImgBB

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Children detained in Russia for placing flowers outside the Ukrainian embassy.

The first two were russians claiming successes which were found to be bullshit, so not sure what you think I am infering.

All I put were ones APSnews DW and Reuters fact checkers have debunked, I never just randomly picked them for shits n giggles

My point as I have said several times is social media coverege cannot be trusted

You link to Russian police being cunts is a tpicture not flagged are false anywhere so why would I think it's fake, it was reported from a russian news site also, one later taken off air.