Russian invasion of Ukraine

Needs to be a delicate balancing act and recognise a lot of jobs and energy independence are conflicted with genuine environmental concerns.

We need a new energy source like tomorrow!
Don’t want to derail this Russia thread, but If Canada was reducing it’s reliance on O&G there’d be a balancing act. Canada is reducing its own production at the same time as increasing imports. Shooting itself in the foot.
 
You clearly need to educate yourself on this as well as you seem to have educated yourself on Covid vaccines and misinformation.

You’re falling into the misinformation trap. I have worked in Nigeria, Canada, UK, Australia. I have worked on these very projects. I have seen the environmental and safety requirements and in Alberta the reclamation efforts first hand. I have seen the land after this returned to a pristine level cleaner than it was found.

‘Tar sands’ itself is a coin phrased by the anti oil and gas lobby.

I think for the purposes of this thread we should agree to differ.
 
Legislation in Russia passed that means 15 years prison if you criticise the government, the war or the troops.

You’re not allowed to use words like “war” or “invasion” in relation to the last 2 weeks or 15 years in prison.

They’ll be running out of prisons soon
 
The ' Chicken Kyivs ' are the deal breaker.

I felt a right idiot the other week, used Chicken Kievs for me and the kids, instead of regular chicken burgers.

I chomped down on my Kiev burger and it exploded and the garlic butter burnt the side of my fucking face.

No sympathy from my two!
 
Legislation in Russia passed that means 15 years prison if you criticise the government, the war or the troops.

You’re not allowed to use words like “war” or “invasion” in relation to the last 2 weeks or 15 years in prison.

They’ll be running out of prisons soon

If your government made a law like that you'd have to be pretty stupid to not understand your country is the baddy in all of this.
 
Legislation in Russia passed that means 15 years prison if you criticise the government, the war or the troops.

You’re not allowed to use words like “war” or “invasion” in relation to the last 2 weeks or 15 years in prison.

They’ll be running out of prisons soon

That's what Siberia is for...
 
I support Ukraine.

Yet have misgivings as to how it came to this. It was avoidable, but as long as people toe the NATO is untouchable line then war is the result.

As you may recall from the EU debate, I supported an EU armed forces independent of NATO who could act as a counter balance, but the anti-EU armed sentiments in the debate were huge, have you considered why?

You need to get back to basics.

Powerful countries dominate weak countries, particularly if the weak country is in close proximity, or have stuff the powerful country wants. The Kaiser's Germany was the most powerful country in central Europe, it was her destiny to dominate the continent, the logic of power dictated it.

The logic of power dictates that the strong bend the weak to their will.

Then along comes liberal democracy and capitalism.

For all its flaws liberal democracy and capitalism throws a spanner in the works. Liberal democracy curbs the excesses of powerful countries. So Mexico and Canada might well dance to America's tune, but not entirely and not all the time and more importantly not in fear.

Powerful capitalist forces might well exploit the weak, but in the 21st Century global economy creating consumers in poor weak countries, is becoming more important than stealing their resources and using them for cheap labour.

This causes a dilemma for Putin, a man obsessed with the past and a 19th century concept of empire.

Bizarrely Putin sees the West as weak, decadent, obsessed with material comforts, yet at the same time, in a disturbing act of Orwellian doublethink, believes the USA is pursuing the same logic of power as he is, only by other means.

He wails that the West denies the logic of power only to Russia! That the USA dominates the world with her military bases, her NATO, her Starbucks and iPhones yet denies Russia's destiny to do the same in her own backyard!

That is the root of his fixation that Russia is always the victim, hemmed in by her enemies

Putin believes he is being completely rational, that by reclaiming the Russian Empire he's merely pursuing the immutable logic of power. Russia must take her rightful place as the dominant power in the region, her will all powerful, that is simply the natural order of things and for the west to deny this is an act of hypocrisy and hostility towards Russia.

Putin is more akin to the Kaiser than Hitler or Stalin.
 
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Reckon he's got that little man syndrome..

Wonder what the chances of a coup are? Or are all of his lackeys too shit scared? With his muzzling of democracy and objective media, think it's him who's scared.

Either way, Ukraine won't hold out for ever. Need to use China to put leverage on him and be aggressively seizing Russian assets overseas quickly.
 
Just reading a report of a young woman 25 hiding in a basement with her dogs. Her mother lives in Moscow and doesn’t believe her own frightened daughter. That is what we are dealing with in terms of the way Putin lives in the head of those he “governs”. That poor woman- source BBC news.
 

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