Russian invasion of Ukraine

The Ukrainian leader is doing a great job but he needs to tone down his blasting of NATO for not helping.
Agreed, but I think that is for domestic consumption to keep morale high, I'm sure in talks with EU and NATO he's more considerate, as he knows the score very well, and escalation by NATO is really not in Ukraine's or anyone else's best interest.
 
"‘Not in your name’: Boris’s Twitter message to Russians goes viral | Evening Standard" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-twitter-ukraine-viral-b986034.html?amp

Ignore the man but let's hope the message has reached as many as they say.
It’s a tweet that was posted nine days ago, and 12m views isn’t really that significant when you consider that most of those will have come from the west and Russia has a population of nearly 150m.
 
The Ukrainian leader is doing a great job but he needs to tone down his blasting of NATO for not helping. European countries are helping by taking in Ukrainian citizens, providing weapons and financial support. He knows the risks of what could happen should Nato countries intervene directly.

He’s watching his cities getting obliterated and it’s very likely both Kyiv and him will fall at some point, he’s not going to tone down anything. He knows NATO won’t get involved any more than they are but anyone would keep on pushing as vocally as he is in the same situation.
 
Because we are lagging so badly on sanctions in comparison.

Like I said, I agree with the sentiment, I think Johnson has spoken well throughout and did again with that. Our actions have not backed that up though and my point on the Standard is that’s a prime example of where we’ve allowed Russian money and influence to infiltrate more than pretty much anywhere else.

Yes there is that with the Standard but there is no way Johnson and the Tories should be let off the hook over Russian money - 12 years of talk and promises - 12 years of taking back handers and now completely compromised and still claiming to be world leading - the only thing we lead the world in is Russian money laundering
 
He knows the risks of what could happen should Nato countries intervene directly.
I'm probably outnumbered on this one but I'm in the 'call his bluff' camp. It's called mutually assured destruction for a reason. Give 48 hours for indication of a withdrawal or a peacekeeping force will be sent in and make it clear that force will be used but only as far as the borders. Put forces in the west of Ukraine and use that as a base of operations. The Russian military is clearly in too weak a place to fight on the front foot and Putin isn't stupid enough to go nuclear.
 
It’s a tweet that was posted nine days ago, and 12m views isn’t really that significant when you consider that most of those will have come from the west and Russia has a population of nearly 150m.
But the revisiting of it now those platforms are banned in Russia will probably get it seen more there. It’s the banned but easily accessible concept, look at how many forum members have instant access to Helen worths saggy tits as an example. Everyone remotely curious in Russia will see that
 
A russian air force plane, from the "223rd Flight Unit State Airline" (it's russian air force vip transport) has just travelled from moscow to the UAE, and has landed in Abu Dhabi at their vip airport Al Bateen, that is very disappointing that they are allowing them to visit.
 
I'm probably outnumbered on this one but I'm in the 'call his bluff' camp. It's called mutually assured destruction for a reason. Give 48 hours for indication of a withdrawal or a peacekeeping force will be sent in and make it clear that force will be used but only as far as the borders. Put forces in the west of Ukraine and use that as a base of operations. The Russian military is clearly in too weak a place to fight on the front foot and Putin isn't stupid enough to go nuclear.
I understand where you're coming from Irwell, but that's helluva call. It reminds me of that Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter.

He's not insane and I don't think he'd press the button, but he's in a corner and is not used to backing down, so as he would have nothing to lose, I think he'd be up for the fight. The casualties, both militarily and civilian would drastically increase to figures not even comparable with the present numbers.

While the deaths and injuries already mounting up on both sides are regretful and nobody wants to see any at all, this conflict has to be played out along the existing lines. Putin and unfortunately the Russian people, are going to find life much more difficult now with the sanctions taking a grip more and more each day.

The Russian people will never have a better chance to break free from this tyrannical leadership than now, I just hope they can.
 
A russian air force plane, from the "223rd Flight Unit State Airline" (it's russian air force vip transport) has just travelled from moscow to the UAE, and has landed in Abu Dhabi at their vip airport Al Bateen, that is very disappointing that they are allowing them to visit.
I think the question is why the visit cleavers, that would be the interesting aspect.
 
I understand where you're coming from Irwell, but that's helluva call. It reminds me of that Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter.

He's not insane and I don't think he'd press the button, but he's in a corner and is not used to backing down, so as he would have nothing to lose, I think he'd be up for the fight. The casualties, both militarily and civilian would drastically increase to figures not even comparable with the present numbers.

While the deaths and injuries already mounting up on both sides are regretful and nobody wants to see any at all, this conflict has to be played out along the existing lines. Putin and unfortunately the Russian people, are going to find life much more difficult now with the sanctions taking a grip more and more each day.

The Russian people will never have a better chance to break free from this tyrannical leadership than now, I just hope they can.
I get you completely, but I honestly think it's something in the psyche of a Russian leader about bluster. Shock and awe on that convoy at the 48 hour mark as troops move in doesn't leave him much in the way of spare kit to push back with. If that convoy is gone and the country has a large force pushed in immediately would he really try to push back?

Edit to say I hate the phrase shock and awe, but it paints the picture.
 
So you agree with the sentiment. But feel you have to insert your view of the Standard/Johnson.

Got news for you, no one is interested in your view of the Standard/Johnson, they are more concerned with the death and destruction occuring at the moment.
Hope you're right, shit performance though from a thoroughly unconvincing charlatan.
Also amatuer editing.
 
I'm probably outnumbered on this one but I'm in the 'call his bluff' camp. It's called mutually assured destruction for a reason. Give 48 hours for indication of a withdrawal or a peacekeeping force will be sent in and make it clear that force will be used but only as far as the borders. Put forces in the west of Ukraine and use that as a base of operations. The Russian military is clearly in too weak a place to fight on the front foot and Putin isn't stupid enough to go nuclear.
I wonder if the damage to the nuclear site today was to test NATO’ resolve, see if thats enough to start WW3. As NATO have not responded militarily he knows he can do what ever he wants.
Their will be a time when he pushes the west that bit too much.
 
I wonder if the damage to the nuclear site today was to test NATO’ resolve, see if thats enough to start WW3. As NATO have not responded militarily he knows he can do what ever he wants.
Their will be a time when he pushes the west that bit too much.
I don't think hitting back would be WW3, I think he's just pushing at the edges to see what he can get away with. If we push back I don't think it is necessarily WW3 unless we go boots on the ground in Russia. If we hit the convoy, put peacekeepers in and enforce a no-fly zone I think we'll get a hell of a lot of sabre rattling, but I think it will ultimately be hollow.

He's lost decent numbers against Ukraine alone, without NATO in there too. His lines are struggling for fuel, food and morale before he loses his biggest convoy. He doesn't seem to have a decent counter for drone strikes, never mind modern fighters. Now seems like the time to push back before he reinforces that convoy and they start rolling again. If he gets control then it really is over for Ukraine and he has a future platform.
 
I wonder if the damage to the nuclear site today was to test NATO’ resolve, see if thats enough to start WW3. As NATO have not responded militarily he knows he can do what ever he wants.
Their will be a time when he pushes the west that bit too much.
Besides maybe 20-40 exceptionally experienced blokes in that 16000 volunteer force there’s no way any nato country engages Russia unless it’s on nato. The next risk is probably Sunday when Russia will go all in on Odessa, given they’ve sank 2 non nato ships in the warmup that’ll be a crunch point.
 
I don't think hitting back would be WW3, I think he's just pushing at the edges to see what he can get away with. If we push back I don't think it is necessarily WW3 unless we go boots on the ground in Russia. If we hit the convoy, put peacekeepers in and enforce a no-fly zone I think we'll get a hell of a lot of sabre rattling, but I think it will ultimately be hollow.

He's lost decent numbers against Ukraine alone, without NATO in there too. His lines are struggling for fuel, food and morale before he loses his biggest convoy. He doesn't seem to have a decent counter for drone strikes, never mind modern fighters. Now seems like the time to push back before he reinforces that convoy and they start rolling again. If he gets control then it really is over for Ukraine and he has a future platform.
Unfortunately he knows and everyone knows Russia are fucked against nato in conventional warfare. The only reason he gets away with this shit is 3000 potentially operational nukes
 
Unfortunately he knows and everyone knows Russia are fucked against nato in conventional warfare. The only reason he gets away with this shit is 3000 potentially operational nukes
MAD though. He seems absolutely nuts, but he seems to know what he's doing enough to know that it would mean no more Russia whereas falling back from Ukraine would only be a loss of face. Would he really hit NATO with a nuclear strike without NATO boots on the ground in Russia? Would even China back him on that one?
 

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