Russian invasion of Ukraine

Am as usual over here we start being stupid.



Firstly the fella was german and lived in Manchester.
Secondly he decried and criticised the russian empire
Thirdly his wrote in his papers he believed in self determimation for Ukraine, belarus and the baltic regions.

This is as daft as when we renamed German Shepherds and many streets named after Germans and pretended the royal family weren't bavarian in 1914.


Most replies are critcising the mill and Home for either attenton seeking, knee jerk wokeism or being clueless about history, they have updated they won't remove it but want to tell the story of it to better explain it's existance and ties to Ukraine (where the artsist found it)

I despise communism but this is ridiculously stupid and cancel culture behaviour.
Engels and Marx had good intentions and were smart people.
Erasing history won’t change anything other than us not learning from it.
 
Interview with Zinch. Probably been posted before, but it's quite something.

Anything planned tomorrow? Applause on 11 minutes for his shirt number??

 
Hoping people can stop saying "It's not the Russians, it is Putin".

The Russian troops are committing horrendous atrocities, absolute vile scum.
 
Weird really, I posted an opinion piece from a Marxist perspective.

I did not endorse the article, i posted it so that other posters could read that different perspectives from the prevailing BM perspective were available. The article was then moderated.

Has BM become like Putin's Russia were censorship is rife and only the official party line is tolerated. I wonder if many of the people who aimed abuse at me see the irony in that.

Anyway you can not beat a good BM pile on, but I am a big boy, I can take abuse, but remember I can also give it out, especially to those who think that by myself posting an article makes me some sort of idiot. Thanks to those who gave me abuse, you proved my point quite beautifully. You are the victims of propaganda in exactly the same way that the Russian people are victims of Putin's propaganda.
Weird really. A day or two earlier you were expressing similar anti-NATO and anti-US views and were saying NATO bore some responsibility for Russia’s invasion. You also said that Ukraine should not be allowed to join NATO. Next you post an opinion piece without an accompanying personal comment that pretty much expresses the same opinion and goes a little further in some areas and you expect people not to assume that you endorse it?
As far as I can see there’s only one victim of propaganda in this discussion and it’s not me.
 
Hoping people can stop saying "It's not the Russians, it is Putin".

The Russian troops are committing horrendous atrocities, absolute vile scum.

What was the conversation within the artillery unit that tried to take out a nuclear power station? Did anyone offer a different opinion of how fucked up it could be if they took the place out?
 
Hoping people can stop saying "It's not the Russians, it is Putin".

The Russian troops are committing horrendous atrocities, absolute vile scum.
How do people feel about the 367000 Russians living over here I wonder?

It is Russian soldiers, government and Putin who deserve revulsion but is every Russian fair game for hatred then or just them?


And believe me I am not trying to sympaphise with Russians and beleive the actions to ban goods from their correct, however if we have learnt anything from the past, once an anti-(insert country or race) mindset starts appearing hysteria and wrongful prejudice appears.

1914 and the secatrianism towards German Jews in London being a prime.example
 
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Say it quietly, don't get excited yet, but is it just starting to seem possible the Ukrainians might even defeat most of this?

Increasing reports about the state of the Russian army and Air force, and the destruction of Russian materiel.

Maybe wishful thinking, certainly at least a dose of Ukraine propaganda, but still, could they repel the Russians in some or even most of the country?

Eg

 
Weird really, I posted an opinion piece from a Marxist perspective.

I did not endorse the article, i posted it so that other posters could read that different perspectives from the prevailing BM perspective were available. The article was then moderated.

Has BM become like Putin's Russia were censorship is rife and only the official party line is tolerated. I wonder if many of the people who aimed abuse at me see the irony in that.

Anyway you can not beat a good BM pile on, but I am a big boy, I can take abuse, but remember I can also give it out, especially to those who think that by myself posting an article makes me some sort of idiot. Thanks to those who gave me abuse, you proved my point quite beautifully. You are the victims of propaganda in exactly the same way that the Russian people are victims of Putin's propaganda.
You're moaning about this but you’re bloody loving the confrontation side of having posted it, since you’re only really replying to or talking about the people who are being most confrontational about you posting it.

I took the time to reply to your post with a variety of different reasons and political and economic angles for why it’s not a credible argument, and you ignored it. Why?… because I don’t think you really posted it for debate.

 
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Hoping people can stop saying "It's not the Russians, it is Putin".

The Russian troops are committing horrendous atrocities, absolute vile scum.

Agreed. Seen a few people on here trot out the “they’re just kids” line.

Every single Russian soldier who sets foot in Ukraine uninvited wants either dragging to The Hague or a bullet in the head.

The Nuremberg defence is weak piss and knocks me sick.
 
Am as usual over here we start being stupid.



Firstly the fella was german and lived in Manchester.
Secondly he decried and criticised the russian empire
Thirdly his wrote in his papers he believed in self determimation for Ukraine, belarus and the baltic regions.

This is as daft as when we renamed German Shepherds and many streets named after Germans and pretended the royal family weren't bavarian in 1914.


Most replies are critcising the mill and Home for either attenton seeking, knee jerk wokeism or being clueless about history, they have updated they won't remove it but want to tell the story of it to better explain it's existance and ties to Ukraine (where the artsist found it)

I thought Phil had died. Turns out he's turned his hand to making statues. :)
 
How do you feel about the 367000 Russians living over here?

It is Russian soldiers, government and Putin who deserve revulsion but is every Russian fair game for hatred then or just them?


And believe me I am not trying to sympaphise with Russians amd beleive the actions to ban goods from their correct, however if we have learnt anything from the past, once an anti-(unsert country or race) mindset starts appearing hysteria and wrongful predujice appears.

1914 and the secatrianism towards German Jews in London being a prime.example
How do you feel about the 367000 Russians living over here?

It is Russian soldiers, government and Putin who deserve revulsion but is every Russian fair game for hatred then or just them?


And believe me I am not trying to sympaphise with Russians amd beleive the actions to ban goods from their correct, however if we have learnt anything from the past, once an anti-(unsert country or race) mindset starts appearing hysteria and wrongful predujice appears.

1914 and the secatrianism towards German Jews in London being a prime.example

Let's not twist what I've said here pal and misquote what I've said.

I suggested that the troops and militias on the ground have a choice. They don't HAVE to carry out Putin's orders and on top of that are committing horrendous war crimes. It isn't JUST Putin.

Also the Oligarch's are extremely close to Putin. Abramovich has played a PR blinder this week but let's not pretend he isn't close to Putin. All of them have a choice but they're spineless and cowards.
 
Say it quietly, don't get excited yet, but is it just starting to seem possible the Ukrainians might even defeat most of this?

Increasing reports about the state of the Russian army and Air force, and the destruction of Russian materiel.

Maybe wishful thinking, certainly at least a dose of Ukraine propaganda, but still, could they repel the Russians in some or even most of the country?

Eg



Probably will happen, Russia could jever long term keep up against such a spririted resistance, if they can keep the southern coast occupied ajd the belarusian border areas while.decimating the 3 largest cities in Ukraine to such extent it will take years to normalise and become an effective threat to Russia there is a slim chance the lunatic may halt the invasion.

But it's very slim as the **** has gone all in.
 
Let's not twist what I've said here pal and misquote what I've said.

I suggested that the troops and militias on the ground have a choice. They don't HAVE to carry out Putin's orders and on top of that are committing horrendous war crimes. It isn't JUST Putin.

Also the Oligarch's are extremely close to Putin. Abramovich has played a PR blinder this week but let's not pretend he isn't close to Putin. All of them have a choice but they're spineless and cowards.

Abramovic was always Yeltsin’s pal more than Putin’s anyway but I get your point. A lot of what he’s doing now to distance himself is about optics.
 
Let's not twist what I've said here pal and misquote what I've said.

I suggested that the troops and militias on the ground have a choice. They don't HAVE to carry out Putin's orders and on top of that are committing horrendous war crimes. It isn't JUST Putin.

Also the Oligarch's are extremely close to Putin. Abramovich has played a PR blinder this week but let's not pretend he isn't close to Putin. All of them have a choice but they're spineless and cowards.

I am doing niether I genuinely was asking rather than suggesting anything towards your comment only as the term "the russians" is wode ramging

I am opening up the debate, as I stated anyone involved in this deserves what they get, but is there a danger that some, and I wasn't meaning yourself personally will take the line between Russians and Russian invaders and leaders as one in the same.

Sorry if you misunderstood I was usimg your post to ask a general question not aimed specifically at you I have reworded it slightly.
 

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