Russian invasion of Ukraine

I’m struggling to see a positive end game of all this. Putin sounds like on his way out due to illness and has a massive Harris for us. Unless someone in Russian army ignores his death bed calls to send the nukes how does this end well.
 
domalino said:
No, if this was Putin's Russia you'd get beaten and imprisoned for 15 years for "going against the party line"

Here you just get ridiculed and insulted for constantly pushing the Kremlin line and being a contrarian twat.


If you're concerned about people thinking you're an idiot, hysterically comparing peoples replies to the treatment you'd get in an autocratic dictatorship is certainly not going to make anyone think otherwise.
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Missed my point totally, I am not for a start residing in Russia.

I got abuse for an article I posted, an article I did not endorse or show support for. That was not pushing any line it was putting an alternative perspective which was dismissed with utter contempt. It being dismissed and me being called an idiot for posting it has zero to do with autocratic dictatorships or the Kremlin line.

If you cannot offer alternative critiques to a situation then it becomes the autocracy you suggest. If contrariness is posting an alternative perspective then are we not in danger of becoming the exact thing that you suggest happens in Putin's regime. As for being a twat, that is well established on here because I dare to post against the established norms and I am proud to announce to all and sundry that I am a Socialist.

For the record I have a long history on here of being anti capitalist and anti imperialist. This forum is swamped with Pro Capitalists and as Lenin suggested Imperialism is the highest form of Capitalism surely you can see that Putin is is an Imperialist, NATO are Imperialists and the capitalism is the only winner of this very sad war. We have seen the pressure in this country put on the Stop the War movement, threats to participants and bans from the the Labour Party of all places. Have you wondered why that is? Are you happy for alternative voices in this country, a supposedly liberal democracy, to be effectively closed down.

For the record again, I have called Putin a ****, because he is an Imperialist, I have been to Ukraine and loved the place and people, I am anti war, not pro war. We though here whether you agree or not are using propaganda, the attack on the nuclear power station being a prime example. We do not hear of Ukraine closing down TV stations or jailing opposition leaders, we hear Putin does, is either side angelic, no. They are both autocratic.

Now we have the spectre of a no fly zone being imposed by NATO, a defensive alliance imposing a no fly zone on a country that is not a member, but NATO has history of that. Former Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq. Do we really want Nuclear War

Peter Hitchens wrote in the Mail, the acceptable face of BM commentariat the following

PETER HITCHENS: I saw what was coming. That's why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy | Daily Mail Online

When I am posting links from BMs paper of choice maybe posters will read it.
 
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Chris B said:
In theory Russian trade can continue forever. Economies existed before stock markets, and the majority of economic activity doesn’t require the stock market to function.

In economic terms, the stock market exists as the most efficient mechanism to allocate capital: provide funds for new businesses, provide extra funds for those that need more capital to expand, and to ensure all these capital flows are priced in terms that reflect the level of risk.

Without this critical economic function operating there will be a considerable cost, but it is a long term cost and isn’t a short term or existential event.

Obviously, the reason the market is closed is to avoid an immediate massive sell off where much of the funds released would probably end up leaving Russia entirely. The hope for Putin is that the situation will soon stabilise and markets can then reopen without any panic selling.
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Yes. The German stock market, for example, is tiny, capital is raised through bond issues
 
Rascal said:
Missed my point totally, I am not for a start residing in Russia.

I got abuse for an article I posted, an article I did not endorse or show support for. That was not pushing any line it was putting an alternative perspective which was dismissed with utter contempt. It being dismissed and me being called an idiot for posting it has zero to do with autocratic dictatorships or the Kremlin line.

If you cannot offer alternative critiques to a situation then it becomes the autocracy you suggest. If contrariness is posting an alternative perspective then are we not in danger of becoming the exact thing that you suggest happens in Putin's regime. As for being a twat, that is well established on here because I dare to post against the established norms and I am proud to announce to all and sundry that I am a Socialist.

For the record I have a long history on here of being anti capitalist and anti imperialist. This forum is swamped with Pro Capitalists and as Lenin suggested Imperialism is the highest form of Capitalism surely you can see that Putin is is an Imperialist, NATO are Imperialists and the capitalism is the only winner of this very sad war. We have seen the pressure in this country put on the Stop the War movement, threats to participants and bans from the the Labour Party of all places. Have you wondered why that is? Are you happy for alternative voices in this country, a supposedly liberal democracy, to be effectively closed down.

For the record again, I have called Putin a ****, because he is an Imperialist, I have been to Ukraine and loved the place and people, I am anti war, not pro war. We though here whether you agree or not are using propaganda, the attack on the nuclear power station being a prime example. We do not hear of Ukraine closing down TV stations or jailing opposition leaders, we hear Putin does, is either side angelic, no. They are both autocratic.

Now we have the spectre of a no fly zone being imposed by NATO, a defensive alliance imposing a no fly zone on a country that is not a member, but NATO has history of that. Former Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq. Do we really want Nuclear War

Peter Hitchens wrote in the Mail, the acceptable face of BM commentariat the following

PETER HITCHENS: I saw what was coming. That's why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy | Daily Mail Online

When I am posting links from BMs paper of choice maybe posters will read it.
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A spirited defence with a few holes and too much Marxist bollocks, "Imperialist NATO", for example. Perhaps, when posting the opposite pov, you should introduce it with a few remarks to set it in the context of why you are posting it.
 
There's a plane belonging to the US Military (a Boeing C32-A that top politicians use) that is currently racing towards Finland at 30 knots over its recommended speed. This morning a numbers station started broadcasting out of Poland too. Not sure what's going on.
 
Damocles said:
There's a plane belonging to the US Military (a Boeing C32-A that top politicians use) that is currently racing towards Finland at 30 knots over its recommended speed. This morning a numbers station started broadcasting out of Poland too. Not sure what's going on.
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Flying West to East, it’s probably more likely to just have a 30 knot tail wind?
 
Damocles said:
There's a plane belonging to the US Military (a Boeing C32-A that top politicians use) that is currently racing towards Finland at 30 knots over its recommended speed. This morning a numbers station started broadcasting out of Poland too. Not sure what's going on.
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Isn’t Israel getting involved now, possibly the USA ferrying them around to broker a deal.
 
If it was about to kick off with Nukes then heading to a country like Finland would be a good idea as it is unlikely to be a primary target.

Most likely something and nothing though.
 
mosssideblue said:
Numbers station?
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A numbers station is a radio transmission used by intelligence agencies. It usually consists of a guy talking in codewords.
The purpose is that anyone with a radio can pick it up as you only need a short wave radio to receive it but only the spy will understand the code. They've been used all the way back since WW2.
 
mosssideblue said:
Numbers station?
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A numbers station is a public broadcast that anyone can tune into but is encrypted so just sound like nonsense random words on a loop unless you know how to decode it. They were used a lot by the CIA in the Cold War.

There’s a load of recordings on YouTube and a few are still active. Fascinating stuff.
 
Damocles said:
A numbers station is a radio transmission used by intelligence agencies. It usually consists of a guy talking in codewords.
The purpose is that anyone with a radio can pick it up as you only need a short wave radio to receive it but only the spy will understand the code. They've been used all the way back since WW2.
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Cheers, never heard of them before.
 
I just watched a program on youtube that made me think. The belief seems to be if Putin launched an all out Nuclear attack againt the west we would have no option other than to retaliate.

But what if he launched just a single low yeild weapon against a Nato state or Ukraine? Would we then go balls deep knowing it is likely to lead to worldwide destruction. I think any escalation from Russia would result in a measured response.

Some very scary weeks ahead.
 
abu13 said:
If it was about to kick off with Nukes then heading to a country like Finland would be a good idea as it is unlikely to be a primary target.

Most likely something and nothing though.
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It looks like the US Secretary of State might be onboard. Why he decided to board a flight in the middle of the night and rag arse it to Finland is anyone's guess.
 
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